So how many queers did you drag behind your truck in high school??

I'm completely for Gay rights, and never said otherwise. My point was simply that you can be pro-rights for the LGBT community and not make it into a center-stage showpiece. The entire point of the Gay rights movement is to have equal rights, and to have society at large accept the gay community and give them the decency to not make a big deal out of their lifestyle. Notice that no one in the gay community is trying to convert people to their ways. They just want the same rights, and to be left alone. That's the entire point.

The twats in this video were not accomplishing anything with their stunt, and I doubt that they spoke for many in that community, either. They were just trying to make people uncomfortable and bring attention to a subject which was never being censored at all.

Yeah heaven forfend people make their civil rights protest a 'center stage showpiece'.

So the confusion in this thread, I think, can be explained like this:

Dread Pirate is making a theoretical critique about the rhetorical efficacy of a given strategy.

Hubba Bubba and Pompoulus are speaking to the content or practical issue at hand, that one has a right or is entitled to voice one's position regardless.

You guys are talking past each other, about different issues.

Picking stupid battles is picking stupid battles.

Discrimination that exists is not a non-issue. That's a goal, not a method. It becomes a non-talking point when it stops existing. "Hey lets not make an issue of it" is one of the most popular ways of excusing discrimination. "But I don't see race", "playing the race card", etc.

Why? Was this that guy?

The "guest" was Paul Hogan, Australia's favourite tax fraud. The transsexual was Anne Carlisle, known for co-writing and playing both the lead male and female roles in the movie Liquid Sky. The scene in question would be on poetv if I could ever find a clip to submit. I don't know if Arsenio had personally seen it, but it is worth protesting over.

Yeah, but why hassle Arsenio? Why not do some research and realize he had Elton John on before accusing him of ignoring the gays.

Their protest seemed so pointless that I started legitimately thinking they were protesting Hogan rather than Arsenio. In actuality they were mad about a joke about SF's Gay Pride Parade.

I've seen a lot of protesters who just start chanting something until they're escorted away when the person they're protesting tries to engage them so at least they didn't do that.

You forget that the black community is not totally progressive or liberal, of which its bigotry towards homosexuality (anti gay marriage) is a prime example.

I meant Arsenio personally really. There are lots of gay people who hate on homosexuality too.

Arsenio overall handled it pretty well, but its a fallacy that you can't be homophobic if you're black. I know just as many, if not more, black people who hate gays.

Someone actually believes blacks can't be homophobic? That's cute.

frau_eva is referring to Arsenio's defense against being called a bigot on the basis that he's black. I also thought it sounded a bit like "I can't possibly hate on minorities because I am the minoritiest."

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