We have busy at work behind the scenes on poeTV. Some of the work isn't outward facing but the one improvement people should be seeing is faster page loading times.

We have been tossing around the idea of creating the pages so you can submit comments and not interrupt the video. It will be some work but do people think that would be helpful?

What other suggestions, bug reports, or feedback do people have?

To answer some recent questions.

The site is not going to be shutdown. We were just busy working on moving over the signup system etc now that they all have to live on poeTV. We should have posted about the future of the site earlier.

While we use the support name because of how the system is setup. poeTV support is not the same as poenews support.

No one has recently been banned. Over the years we tend not to ban people on poeTV but do suspend people for posting NSFW videos etc. Suspensions last for 7 days then you are back. Seems fair.

We have removed all Google banner ads because Google was trying to dictate some of the content the site could run and still run their ads. We felt it was "newsworthy" content and refused to remove the content. Google is still pissy and that is why Google search doesn't work. We will fix the search soon.

1) There does not seem to be a link on one's Profile page for editing one's own user data (such as E-Mail address). I could be mistaken and am not seeing the link.

2) Please add a "Contact User" link on a user's Profile page so that, if that link is clicked, an E-Mail is sent to that user that simply says, "Bort [or whoever, use your imagination] would like to contact you via E-Mail. His E-Mail address is [use your imagination here too]." If you want to fancy it up, you could also include a text field for a comment.

How about a separate forum for discussion? Leave the comment feature for the video page itself, but limit it to a smaller character size.

That way, casual visitors can watch the videos and read the short snarky remarks while people who want to get into more in-depth discussions can do so without cluttering up the video page.

How about some sort of "tag hopper" or something so the community at large has a way to amend the sometimes godawful tags videos are submitted with? It would also help foster the novelty tag ecosystem which I love so much about this site.

Oh, and increase the number of tags or characters or whatever videos can have.

My advise:

1) Screw the ajax. Fix the bugs you currently have. If you want ajax comments they are easy to add and you've got PLENTY of pre-existing scripts that will work.

2) Follow the rules equally and fairly. Treat the users fairly:
2a) You have banned/suspended people in the past just because they said things you didn't like rather than them not following the rules. Baleen was one of them.
2b) You've also banned/suspended people for not following the rules while letting others get by in spite of them ignoring the rules.
2c) You've also censored comments you didn't agree with or which spoke of 'support' poorly. You once censored a comment which pointed to a facebook group that wanted to talk about poetv.
2d) When you do suspend people it's either indefinitely, you don't really talk to them and explain why, you are authoritarian, and if they don't like what they say you ignore their actual contributions to the site and treat them disrespectfully

3) Instead of going for pie-in-the-sky features and things most users would never use, why don't you concentrate on simple fixes that most users WOULD use and might find useful.

4) This isn't a site that will really make much in the way of money. It's not a site for traffic. The thing that makes this site great is it's user base. Treat them with a bit more respect and they might actually stick around. There's a lot of bad talk about support from MANY users and it would probably behoove you to listen to it.

I second the ideas of a seperate forum and users having a profile page they can edit.

Someone suggested before about adding a "dupe" voting option for the video in the hopper. If someone sees a video in the hopper that is already on here, they can vote "dupe" instead of voting it down. A link to the video's page on this site could be added by a person before the inital dupe vote in order to prevent abuse.

And I notice that the a lot of artists' profile pages on 73Q are blank and the ones with content are just copy-and-paste articles from wikipedia. Anyway users could submit articles for their favorite music groups and such instead of a boring, encyclopedia-like description?

support: maybe give the pedants around here a more complete list of the behind-the-scenes changes you've been making. any bug-fixes going on?

Something needs to improve with dupe searching. Or make it so a video link cannot be submitted twice.

Suggestion: Bring back my old account. For some reason when I try to log in with it, I get a message saying I have been banned. I don't know why it was banned. I certainly did not post anything NSFW.

I would also be interested in seeing comment ratings. Rather than a +1 or -1 vote, we would vote how liberal or conservative a comment was.

Thirdly, please allow multi level reply indenting.

1) Bulbs!
2) Seconding Caminante - front page privileges for those who have submitted a lot of stuff with a decent star average or whatever.
3) Ability to edit/delete posts (within reason) would be nice.

I recently messed up submitting updates to broken links/down videos(The links I submitted would lead to a youtube page stating it was a malformed url or what-not) It's kinda unfortunate that I couldn't take down my pending submission immediately after spotting my mistake instead of having to wait for other users to vote down the update.

And on another note, could we get some stats and other info on the "Hot Videos" section. Like how/why has the poeTV user-base kept malformed people from Chernobyl and turtle sex up there for years... why their constant companion, Requiem for a Dream: Ass to Ass, recently dropped from the list etc.

Could you find a way to keep a running list of all the exhibits THA SUGAH RAIN would or would not be willing to hit? Because he's always letting us know, but then I always forget his position on the issue a few minutes later.

Maybe a video montage or something?

If Caminante gets Front page privileges, I would like the same please.


Also, I get an error of "Valid ID Grab Failed!" when I try to resubmit "Alan Moore - Mr. A"

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=31796

Can we get a monkey helper?



This place is better without a forum, i think most of us agree with that. Somebody suggested an "about" option, that wouldn't hurt. If "contact users" is not a good option for the site, how about some kind of wall to post msgs to a user in their profile? I guess having private msgs is too much trouble maybe? Lastly, a more sensitive search function, sometimes i really can't find certain videos.

I had this suggestion awhile back, but here goes again:

I think POETV works great for the most part, but we desperately need some way to comment on links in the hopper. Give us, say, 100-140 characters or just to say "dupe...here's the link" This way we stop having dumb hopper vote battles over stuff where lots of people know the clip has already been on POETV (in some cases within the same few days) so we can say this is why we're voting it down. Or something like that.Or, if not comments, some way of marking a hopper submission as a potential dupe or something with a link to the dupe.

And yes...please....NO FORUM. However, if users want to set up their own meeting place outside of POETV, don't go suspending people and getting all weird about it. The POE Facebook (though i don't use it myself) predates Chet handing over POE to admins by at least a year or two.

This makes me really happy. I figured the poe-news drama wouldn't spill over here but it was looking tense for a second. I'm glad things are on the right track.

Anyway, comments without refresh sound good to me. I'm also seconding dupe votes and bulbs.

I wish the hopper listing said e.g. +5/-3 rather than 2, and had little thumbnail previews.

Fixes I'd enjoy:
- better link parsing for submissions. I can help if necessary.
- dupe search would work better if tags weren't split into separate words. you're right that this is best solved by better search in general. However, you don't need an external product. MySQL has full-text indexing... you need to turn it on and/or write code that makes use of it.

http://poetv.com/tags.php?l-C.html

The tags that begin with C aren't showing up alphabetically here.

Actual real suggestion: Add an "Edit" function for replies. Sometimes, people make retarded typos or would like to think secondly after making a comment submission.

Comment threads have no way to survive, and it's especially maddening with search broken. Basically, if it's not on the front page, there's no discussion, and the front page is built so all vids last a couple of days at most.

Not to summon the demon *chan here, but the idea of moving discussion-keeping videos on top of the front page and keeping them relevant makes sense to me. Maybe have a separate sub-page for "fresh from the hopper" versus "discussion order" on mainpage (or vice-versa) but I could see script logic like this for the front page:

1) Every time a "new video" receives a new comment from a user that isn't the last commented user (i.e. not the same user "bumping" the video every day) the video goes back to the top of the discussed list

2) Once nobody's commented on the video for a week, and it falls off the (expanded) front page, it's no longer a "new video" and not subject to these rules, thus preventing someone from nuking the new entries by commenting on random old videos

Maybe make some rule that every new video gets a fair shake on the front page for 24-48 hours or so.

I could also see a dupe under discussion being merged into the original, making it a "new video". Sometimes old videos gain new context when some random ranter a month ago becomes the next knowyourmeme superstar. Unless there was some other way to resurrect an old video - maybe even a re-hopper with a "why this video needs to be seen again" to make it into a "new video" again.

Tags are a decent way to link vids, but being able to create some sort of "exhibits" of certain fave people/delusions/memes would be nice. Sort of like the "artist" section of 73q.

My two big ones:
Improved search feature or fixing the google search would be great.

I don't know enough coding to know why this keeps happening, but lately a lot of my submissions appear broken to me in the hopper. Someone must see them, they make it to the front page, where some users will complain about broken links, though I usually see them fine there. It'd be nice to see a fix to that, or at least an explanation to avoid doing that.

I too, would like front page rights. I promise not to abuse them.

The ability to edit comments would be nice.

I would find it useful if videos (and/or comments) had date/time stamps on them.

Maybe improve the selection of categories we can put videos under. Poetv definitely needs a food category.

It might not be the best place to bring this up, but 73Q's "Submit more" -link (after submitting a video) points to PoeTV's video submit form.

I'm not 100% sure if I'm thinking of the right link or whether it's been fixed already, but I don't want to post a random video just to test it.

1. I don't know how bogged down you are or how many developers you have working on it and of what skill, but if ajax-ifying comments would "be some work" then you might consider recruiting developers from the community: put POE-TV's code base up on a controllable SVN (even sourceforge or something like that) and let the community fix bugs or add functionality.

2. A *long* time ago I requested "more than a top-25" listing for 7, 30 and all-time time periods and was told that whatever backend process generated those pages was too resource intensive. Mind boggling response. So I'd like to renew my request: you should redo the top-X pages (at least the all-time page) to be able to give the ranking for ALL videos, you can use some sort of pagination, remove the preview image, etc.

Keep up the good work. If nothing else, at least keep the site running as is.

when looking at someone's comment history, there is a big gap between pages 1 and 2.

In addendum to my "organize favorites" suggestion:
Perhaps some kind of top 25/50? I favorite a lot of things just so I can find them later, but they're not always my "favorites," per se. A separate list that I can augment would be rad.

I like how idiosyncratic this website is and I like the fact that all discussions happen underneath a video. I would, however, like a way to see all a posters comments and the video they were from as a list; this would help with my nosiness in following in-jokes back to their common ancestor.

I mentioned fixing the search in an earlier post. Expanding on that, it'd be reay nice to be able to choose to search by title, tags, or comment/description keywords.

I thought about a search for members, but really, every member who'se comments I'd care to read can be found on almost any video.

I have seconded many good suggestions above, but what I would like to see is A: a more reliable multi-part submission function, and B: more POETV user action on the old resubmit hopper. Pillager, myself and a few others are trying our best to keep many old links working, and it is not clear how many up-votes on resubs are needed. I see how if it were just one vote anybody could wreak havoc and change old submissions at will. The resubmit hopper has a prominent front page link, but it seems like it is ignored by many users here.

I am opposed to editing comments for reasons outlined by support.

As for front page privs, could not a rotating system be developed? a proportion of those with a track record of high stars and many subs (like those in the top 100, or top 50) could have them for a time, and then it would switch out to allow others? this might lead to abuse, but it might also lead to some interesting things popping up. just a thought.

The hopper sucks, I have Front Page Privileges and I never look at it. I understand the site needs to self moderate, but blargh, there's gotta be a better way. I was a bad idea form the get go.

Here's my totally unrelated suggestion: Timestamps. I'd love to know when a video was uploaded. Say I find a great bigfoot video and find it's a dupe, i'd be interested to know if the comments on it are still being read, or if they're 5 years old.

It would be interesting to add a "curator" status. It would be like a playlist, only for special "exhibits". They'd just click on your name, see your list of "exhibits" and they could watch through them all if they felt like it.

-Commenting and not interrupting the video should be easy. Just use jQuery ajax.

-Fix the thing where it still says "Register/Login" on the index page even if you are logged in.

-Fix the thing where is says "query 2" instead of a reasonable error when your log in fails.

-Fix the thing where the apostrophe character isn't escaped in the tags.

-If you need another web developer I'd love to be a part of this site.

Hey support, it's Knuckles. You banned me on POEN for making a joke about you in the in-house forum. It had the effect of banning me here, too.

Now that POEN is dead, can I have my account back here on POETV?

0) Fix the bugs, login/cookie bugs especially.
1) More community. Either on-site profiles, forums etc. or on some other site [hopefully not facebook]. I'd like to have some way to send a message or figure out who lives near me for beer purposes, on some centralized site.
2) The legendary posters should have some perks or site features about them. Hilarity will ensue.
However, it should be the same rules for all, same hopper for all. This is the best balance of equality with site celebrity.
3) I'm cool with the site being interwebs 1.0. I like that the comments are either words or links, and no pictures. However, knowing what's new on a thread and multi-level replies add a lot.
4) I'm fine with the site doing whatever it needs to survive, whether it's advertisements, or donations, or being turned over to mob rule.
5) fewer cats not doing anything
6) I don't know what the NSFW issues are, but how about a SFW section and an R-rated section?

This is really just gravy, but as long as we're having a suggestions thread: I think we should do away with the archaic star ratings in favor of a simpler "Like/dislike" or "Thumbs up/down" system. Most people seldom vote anything but 5 stars ("I like this video"), and when they do, it's usually 1 star ("I dislike this video/it doesn't belong here"). I don't really see a difference between 4 stars and 5 stars, or 1 star and 2 stars, and I don't think most other people do either. And it's retarded that a video with 50 5-star ratings and 1 1-star rating is considered "lower rated" than a video with one 5-star rating.

I'm also in favor of the addition of "About" pages, timestamps for videos and comments, multi-level replying, and bulbs. And search is shit, but that goes without saying.

Contrary opinion: remove front-page privileges from everyone and don't grant new ones to anybody. They only serve to introduce crappy submissions, dupes, and repetitive comment arguments about hopper swiping. There's no real reason for any video not to be vetted by the hopper. If it's good, it'll get through. It will also encourage hopper vetting by all users, which reinforces the hopper's gateway function.

Can we get a user link on the front page? A small point, but it's sort of annoying to have to log in (through the "register" link), then have to click on a video, then click on the user link that appears in the top bar.

Do people use the size feature or simply go with the size it is and bump up to full screen?

I would like to see the date a video was uploaded in the info on the right.

Was going to ask for an original link, thanks! But it only shows up when you are logged in.

I fixed the user comment history. The value for evaluating what page to show was based on 200 comments per page, but the comments were actually showing only 20 per page.

People should see quite a few more pages of comments now.

Added today in history. It picks a random year from 2011 to 2006 and picks the video with the highest rating.

That is the last of the really low hanging fruit. There are some other great suggestions but they need some changes in the plumbing. So hang tight, we aren't ignoring you. Give us a week or two. We will make other posts for more detailed suggestions on certain topics along the way.

Oh and tags are a mess. They need to be fixed but my oh my.

I really want to thumbs up or like comments that I feel are worthy.

Can we get an update to the user stats? It seems that the "below the line" stats change with use (i.e. when I give more videos ratings), but the ones above the line don't seem to.

Sorry to keep throwing things at you, but there's lots of little things (as I'm sure you know).

Could we alter slightly the way in which the "hot videos" are determined? They haven't changed much in ages, and it's pretty clear that those videos are mostly random search engine hits looking for porn.

It might be better to have a couple of "hot video" subcategories, not just most hits for videos over a week old: most comments in the last week, most ratings in the last week, most linkbacks in the last week, etc. You could even get a little more into the history, sort of like how the current hot videos are determined. All of the above categories could also be listed for videos that are more than a week old.

I think that the "hot videos" idea is a strong one; we have a large back catalogue of good stuff here, and it is sometimes hard to wade through it all. But I think that the current system could be improved.

It might break the layout and set loose a whole bunch of demons, but:

PWEEEEEESE can the video embedding object be turned into a 16:9 widescreen one? So few of the new videos are 4:3 these days.

There could be a cookie setting for it, like the 2x and 3x player selector thingie.

Is there any easy way to make it more obvious if you're replying to someone's post, besides just checking the URL before posting?

I have accidentally posted things as a reply to something unrelated countless times by now. This could just be me being an idiot, but I've seen enough other people do it that it's "a thing."

less racism.

How about a ban-amnesty for all the people who were banned over here just because "PoeN support" banned them over there?

Specifically, amnesty for Banal Intercourse.

Number of comments listed under each video

A way of finding out about comment replies. Not necessarily email. In fact, preferably not email.

There could be more error-checking when submitting a video. If the resulting url starts with "www.poetv.com" or has two http:// strings, there could be a message telling to check the url and fix it or submit anyway.

It seems many people are having problems with submitting videos, there are always a couple of entries in the Hopper with malformed urls.

Sometimes it's really frustrating when you mess up the submission and there's nothing you can do about it, while it's in the Hopper

dupe button in the hopper, recent activity in profile pages, double listing of recent lists

really well done

date and view counter - also great

Might it be possible to vote 73q songs over to poetv? Like, if four or so users vote it up, it hits the poetv front page?

There are some mind blowing music videos that are poe-worthy in their own right.

I don't know if anyone ever looks at this anymore, but I love POE and I think a slight redesign of the site with wiki-style editing would be nice. It'd be great to allow new Youtube embed styles that are bigger, and making a mobile site as well. This site actually works pretty great on a smartphone as it is. I'd love to see something like that happen, so the site doesn't seem like a dinosaur relic of the old internet. Larger previews on the front page would really help site traffic. The comment activity and personality of POEtv is great and could grow, and maybe sell better ads than wolf piss.

Yeah and I'd like hopper god status too, I mean doesn't everyone?

Can you make it harder for users who join only to pimp their own videos to, well, pimp their own videos? I know no one really likes the b-word, but could that be grounds for suspension? At least for repeat offenders who submit something that is obviously theirs.

Yeah, I know anyone can submit what they want and whenever, that's the freedom of the place and PoE users vote it in or out. And I know we're supposed to vote on the content of the video, but I'm getting tired of users like mihai francu and HiThere24 repeatedly submitting things that are clearly hosted on their own Youtube channels.

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The login/register thing still isn't fixed on 73Q. Sure, when the user clicks on PoETV, it shows them logged in. But I don't understand why someone would have to do that just to see that they are logged in.

On the topic of dupes, could we stop the multiple resubmits at a single time for a single video? Or manage them better. I mean, if obviously one working link has already been resubmitted, there doesn't need to be two or three more waiting in the resubmit hopper, all for the same video.

If you look at the Resubmit Hopper now, you'll see some duplicated resubmits (though at this point, not all of the links will work).