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memedumpster - 2012-04-16

So the Simpsons became terrible because the producers became terrible people.


Jet Bin Fever - 2012-04-16

Or maybe Walt Disney wasn't a dumb, no-talent prick.


Riskbreaker - 2012-04-16

I mean, it's like they are....moving, ugh. It makes me feel dirty watching animation so animated,


Bort - 2012-04-16

Okay, so it's not polished. That's about the only criticism here that holds, and even then, so what? These guys can't remember what made the cartoon work in the first place.


Grandmaster Funk - 2012-04-16

Let's be fair, it's pretty crap, though in a vastly different way than today's Simpsons crap. They're right in that there's no cohesive tone. You have wacky slapstick visual humor mixed right in with what is supposed to be relatable emotional content. The pilot was a mess, an unadulterated mess. Don't let nostalgia cloud your judgment on that point. There's not much, if anything, in this clip of the stuff that made the Simpsons great.


Bort - 2012-04-16

The first episode of just about everything is crap; there's a lot of figuring out what works and how to get it to fit together. So I admit I'm not judging this by the same standards I would judge, say, a third season episode, because it's inherently apples and oranges.

But I do see elements that work, and concepts they will successfully build upon. That's nothing to be ashamed of, so I don't get why these guys are ashamed, unless they truly are blind to the positives. Marge's inconsistent shape is a dumb thing for them to bitch about.


pastorofmuppets - 2012-04-16

My guess was that they're bitching about it because it wasn't a conscious decision but something they got back from a cheap overseas animation team that at the time they just had to live with. I don't know that for sure though.


Grandmaster Funk - 2012-04-16

Would like to see commentary of some recent episode (or shit, an episode in the early post-shark period like "Saddlesore Galactica") with some honest and undisguised disgust.


themilkshark - 2012-04-16

I really want to punch the guy who keeps going "Gee whiz!" If you don't understand their criticism, just remember that art is extremely subjective and when you hand over model sheets and storyboards to an animator it's hard to know you're going to like what you get back. The whole thing comes off pedestrian, for a show that was a huge hit for being different this crop of animators did a lot of stuff the same old way.


sosage - 2012-04-16

I can sympathize with these guys. I cringe looking at my older work and in a few years will probably cringe on what I did today. Unless you have a giant ego, you almost never focus on the good of these things and immediately zoom in and obsess over the bad.

With that said...yeah. They are totally missing the good. This reminds me of the Butterfingers commercial that was posted here a month or so ago. It's fucking fluid. It has character up the ass. Everyone is morphing and there is bad perspective going on, but the thing visually popped for its time.

Fuck Tween.


MrBuddy - 2012-04-16

What work is that?


sosage - 2012-04-16

POETV commentary and star rating


BiggerJ - 2012-04-16

I believe he's referring to the commercial that introduced the world to Milhouse: http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=104206


BiggerJ - 2012-04-16

Oh, I thought you were talking about the Butterfinger commercial.


Seven Arts/H8 Red - 2012-04-16

The Simpsons initially used Kent Butterworth, who supervised Mighty Mouse: The New Adventures after John K. moved to the Beany and Cecil revival. Butterworth likes fuller, bouncy animation; Matt Groening prefers the opposite.

I'm surprised Brooks and co. don't call Butterworth out by name here. I'm more surprised they thought he was a good fit for The Simpsons in the first place, even though Butterworth had prior experience with Filmation, and could work in many different styles. The animation wasn't the problem; the quality of the fucking drawings were.


Meerkat - 2012-04-16

Filmation was fucking amazing. They did these Tom and Jerry cartoons where their faces elongated and changed shape and size from one frame to the next, they were absolutely the most astonishing crap and I couldn't believe even as a child that someone actually got paid to do that.


stage - 2012-04-16

I love the old Simpsons look... had to mute the volume - I couldn't stand listening to these bozos who have sterilized and applefied the Simpsons into their current soulless form.


Hooker - 2012-04-17

So is it either acid trip cacophony or boring for you guys? The Simpsons today (and for the past decade+) has been truly awful from a writing perspective, but to the best of my knowledge, the animation is much more similar to Last Exit to Springfield-era than this is.

They're ignoring the positives because:
1) They're joking around, and making jokes at the expense of positives is far less fun.
2) This animation, taken as a whole, is garbage.


Spit Spingola - 2012-04-17

This pilot probably takes things too far and I guess didn't follow their direction, but some of the animation in it is great and really hard to do. I thought it was cool and was surprised how much they trashed it in this commentary.

Honestly, I just have some nostalgia for when the Simpsons didn't have everything set in stone as far as how it's constructed, back when it had some kind of relationship to the way Groening draws and the animators were still trying to figure out how to approach it. Now there's a model sheet for every single angle you could possibly draw these characters from. Everything's down to a science, in smooth high definition. In my opinion that makes the show less funny.


Riskbreaker - 2012-04-19

The animation of the show today is 100% robotic and lifeless. The exact opposite of what used to be in episodes like Last Exit to Springfield. Even in the audio commentaries of episodes from season 5 and 6 they keep saying how they don't use certain expression in the characters anymore (maybe because the character's don't have any expressions at all now?) The show went the George Lucas route of making everything digital and with computers, making everything look steril and flat.

Is not that technology can't help make good animation, is just that you don't have to sacrifice actual flow and movement for the sake of shiny ultra-polished colors and angles. Just remember that halloween episode of the shinning where Homer goes crazy. That kind of wild crazy drawings are non-existant in the show today.


Simillion - 2012-04-18

"Wow, look at all this old crap before we hired the koreans and before we started copying Seth mcFucklane."


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