fourthguy - 2012-11-10
For anyone who doesn't have the patience for 15 minutes of Morning Joe, here's the important part:
"I believe the Republican Party is a party of followership. The problem with the Republican leaders is that they're cowards... The real locus of the problem is the Republican activist base and the Republican donor base. They went apocalyptic over the past four years. And that was exploited by a lot of people in the conservative world. I won't soon forget the lupine smile that played over the head of a major conservative institution when he told me that our donors think the apocalypse has arrived. Republicans have been fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex... Because the followers, the donors and the activists are so mistaken about the nature of the problems the country faces the nature--I mean, it's just a simple question. I went to Tea Party rallies and I would ask this question: 'have taxes gone up or down in the past four years?' They could not answer that question correctly. Now it's true that taxes will go up if the President is re-elected. That's why we're Republicans. But you have to know that taxes have not gone up in the past. And 'do we spend a trillion dollars on welfare?' Is that true or false? It is false. But it is almost universally believed. That means that the leaders have no space to operate."
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Hooker  - 2012-11-11
Wow. Listening to Frum plainly explain a perspective that is clear, understandable, and makes sense given what we all can see happens while the other talking heads make these convoluted, muddled, and contorted cases that are just attempts to re-frame the national dialogue really is Twain's lightning to the lightning bugs.
I got really angry at 7:30 when David Gregory just started babbling out bullshit, and when Joe Scarborough interrupted Frum to grandstand about something he had just read, I wanted to yell, "SHUT THE FUCK UP, THE GUY WITH THE INTERESTING THING TO SAY WAS TALKING!"
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Dinkin Flicka - 2012-11-12 Don't be angry. His words are meaningless.
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The God of Biscuits - 2012-11-11
It's no surprise David Frum got kicked out of his own party. He's being rational.
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Vaidency - 2012-11-11 Yeah, I'm always going to think of him as "That guy who got fired by the conservative think tank for arguing the Republicans should have negotiated on health care reform instead of trying to turn it into "Obama's Waterloo.""
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The Mothership - 2012-11-11
A business strategy and not a governing strategy. That says it all.
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SteamPoweredKleenex - 2012-11-11 The only place they decry the profit motive as somehow bad or evil is when it comes to teaching, and even then it's only if one is a union member.
As the e-card said, "I went into teaching for the money, said nobody, ever."
There are some vital segments to our society that can't be quantized and "rewarded" the same way one makes widgets on an assembly line. What's worse is the crap they DO reward: Fiddling numbers on spreadsheets until someone calls the results a profit, and then milking it until the bubble bursts.
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SchlongChimp - 2012-11-13 I don't get how a businessman is "qualified" to run the country. People say it like it's a fact. Business and government do not share the same goals. You can't eliminate a chunk of your workforce to make your bottom line look better when you run a government.
I was gonna rant for a bit, but what's the point? Venting about American politics is like yelling down a stairwell, it's satisfying to hear your own words echoed back at you.
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Caminante Nocturno - 2012-11-11
I'm really looking forward to the day when we can finally stop pretending that Reagan was anything other than a godawful mistake.
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Doomstein - 2012-11-11 It's amazing how he's been warped into such a John Wayne-esque figure by conservatism. He holds this shroud of legend and reverence, and is considered to be an infailable sacred cow to them these days.
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Hay Belly - 2012-11-11 It's not amazing at all. How many people know that John Wayne was a white supremacist?
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SteamPoweredKleenex - 2012-11-12 Bush II was a great example of their idiotic Regan idolizing.
They remember first-term Reagan as a saber-rattling superhero. They forget that second-term Reagan sat down and negotiated with the Soviets, helping to pull us back from the brink of nuclear war.
Bush II was their warped vision of first-term Regan: Negotiate with no one. Bomb everyone. Fuck 'em and let god sort 'em out.
It's for this and many other reasons I find Republicans to be reprehensible.
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Redford - 2012-11-11
My opinion is that Romney lost because his party is associated with a group of people who will ignore human rights, economy, and world politics simply in order to follow an unchanging and outdated moral code based on a world view over two thousand years old.
Or rather, that is what their actions as a party cause them to view them as. So if this statement is false, it's still bad because it's what I believe from what I have heard. If enough people believe a thing as a truth, it doesn't matter if it's false. Your problem is that based on what is happening, you've created an assumed truth which has become almost as real as the actual events.
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SteamPoweredKleenex - 2012-11-11 This election most of them not only repeated the litany of big lies, they bought into them as well. It's why they were all so surprised when Romney's campaign bit it. It was evident in Romney's 47% speech that those present DID believe half of America was lazy. Those people were supposed to be businessmen, yet their prejudices from Fox News and other such outlets overrode everything they supposedly learned about how the world works.
This election, they were so sure their candidate had it in the bag, that the polls were lies, that God wouldn't let the socialist win, etc.
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memedumpster - 2012-11-11
Every time Joe speaks, all I hear are the screams of dead interns and his tangent about Churchill and France made absolutely no goddamned sense whatsoever, even in the context of dead interns. I like the rapid beyond belief eBook turnaround time idea, though, and think we of poe should all spend an evening writing a short pdf on politics. I'm getting started on "How Confederate Ghost Honkies Done God's Will Rape Babied Up In My America" right now!
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Riskbreaker - 2012-11-11
I can tell you in much less words: people don't like assholes.
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James Woods - 2012-11-12 In fewer words.
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Huh, you're right.
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