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Maybe we'll finally have a dialog and define culturally what a racist is. Somehow we've defined the bar for racism so high that nobody that wasn't on the wrong side of World War 2 qualifies.

My fucking "White Nationalist" neighbor doesn't think he's racist. It's literally the only fucking thing he talks about ever.

Yeah so I wouldn't hold my breath for that happening, Blue.

jangbones: the verdict was because of flawed florida law.

why zimmerman and trayvon got into an altercation the night trayvon died likely has something to do with race, but the verdict of the case clearly doesn't.



blue: a "racist" is a person who gives any shits about race. that is a very low bar, most people meet that definition. a "white nationalist" is definitely a racist. a "white nationalist" is not necessarily a person who thinks whites are superior, or hates non-whites, or cares about racial purity. your neighbor probably thinks he isn't racist because he doesn't hate non-whites and doesn't feel that whites are superior. if "racist" meant "hater of other races", then he might not be racist by that definition.

i actually give 0 shits about what race a person is, but people around here are still calling me a racist.

I love trolls, and race trolls are my favorite

that's nice, but what are you trying to say?

NO REPLIES FOR PEDOPHILES

calling me a troll and just assuming i'm trying to get a rise out of you is such a cop out.

whatever, hopefully somebody else will respond

OK Zerdz, here's my meme.

Let's say Trey was a good 'muerican citizen and was exercising his constitutional right to bear arms, like George. Trey had the jump on George, and he could have shot first. Then there'd be a dead George, and Trey would say "I was walking back to my house after buying some skittles and cola from the corner store. Some creepy guy in a panel van was following me. I tried to get away, but he got out of the van and pursued me on foot. So I stood my ground".

Discuss.

how could we even begin to discuss that? how can we say what would happen with absolute certainty?

it's very easy to say "trayvon would be thrown in the slammer, no questions asked", but you can't really argue for or against that either way. there are too many factors that go into that sort of decision. it is so easy to fall into lazy thinking, and say the system's racist, and that's the cause for all of these problems. it may be a factor, but it sure as hell isn't the only one.

Oh, it's easy to discuss. Just take all your old text and swap the georges and the treys. I don't know if Trey would have been in prison or not. But surely we could agree the law applies equally to Trey as to George. If only Trey understood and applied the Constitution! Well that is where the liberal schools have failed him...

i'm sure you can see why swapping the "georges and the treys" won't work. :|

if zimmerman was trayvon, and trayvon was zimmerman, the laws should let trayvon walk.

but that isn't what happened, and you can easily say it wouldn't happen like that because of racism, but that is a pointless argument that doesn't say anything about the verdict of this case. if you want to make a point that systemic racism exists, then great, i agree with you. but if you're trying to argue that systemic racism is the sole reason or even a large reason that this verdict was reached, then you should try again

I'm arguing that we need to teach the Trey's of this country their rights and responsibilities as US citizens. They need to bear arms and defend themselves as per state and federal law. If Trey had been bearing arms his attacker would be dead and Trey would be alive. Instead, George survived because he understood the Constitution. Trey was irresponsibly unarmed and paid the price.

I should think the NRA could be the tip of the spear, as it were, as they've been making noises about reaching out to the schools in the wake of the school shootings. I'd like to see a big inner city component of that, where basic gun education and firearm license help is provided to disadvantaged kids like Trey. If we want to protect his generation from sexual predators, kidnappers and stalkers ( like George there ) they _need_ this help.

"My fucking "White Nationalist" neighbor doesn't think he's racist."

There isn't a racist alive who thinks he's a racist, they all just think they're telling it like it is, PC police be damned.

it's mostly because the word "racist" has come to mean "a person who believes his or her race is superior and/or hates other races".

a white nationalist is not necessarily a racist under that definition.

ok fair enough

i think you call me a troll because you actually agree with some of the things i say, but you don't want to be lumped in with me because everybody here hates me. that sucks, man.

i haven't said actually said anything remotely racist.

the guy who called in this video has a few valid points, but he's not very good at speaking so he let it get away from him. i am not this guy, not all of his positions are mine, but hey, it's easy to make fun of people this way.

yes, the rule of law prevailed in the zimmerman case, and it's good that nothing else had to do with the verdict. but the big problem with the caller's position is that the reason zimmerman walked was because the law itself was poorly constructed. the real controversy should be about the florida walking castle "stand you ground" laws, if anything. zimmerman's reason for following trayvon might have to do with racial profiling, but the verdict of this case as nothing to do with race. it's just really easy for the media to spin it that way, as the host here is doing.

the host is exaggerating so many things, it makes me cringe. "open season on black boys", are you kidding me? i'm sure all of this is just fueling bad emotions about this. i wouldn't be surprised if most of what he's saying is plain untrue. zimmerman isn't white, and he isn't "twice" trayvon's age, and it is highly unlikely he was walking with a gun out, that is absolutely retarded. zimmerman was hurt after his confrontation with trayvon, if zimmerman really wanted to kill trayvon from the start, he would have just shot him before any of that happened.

now the host is saying the caller is "gleeful" that a black kid is dead. you have to be lacking in emotional intelligence to think that is likely after hearing the caller's positions, however flawed they are. the caller is being smug and gleeful about the (flawed) rule of law prevailing instead of all the people who cried "racism". pretty stupid how the caller emphasizes the jury was made up of women, as if they are any less capable. but it's also pretty messed up that the jury didn't have men on it, i'm pretty sure you want something like a jury to have all sorts of people on it...

bottom line: as fun and easy as it would be to believe, zimmerman is not solely responsible for trayvon's death. considering all the facts, this is obvious.

i wonder if anybody has an open enough mind to read this and take it seriously, and try and refute some of its points. this is the same shit i've been saying the whole time, and none of it is racist. so why am i being called a racist, i wonder

Just as a reminder, around the same time as the Martin shooting, there was the woman who shot her husband/ex-husband who was trying to beat her up and instead of being able to say "I feared for my life" or take advantage of the state's Stand Your Ground laws, she was sentenced to 20 years in prison. Also around the same time was the guy who shot NINE shots into a parked car full of teenagers, killing a black kid because "their music was too loud." His defense is, naturally, he feared for his life and he's a "responsible gun owner." Things do not look good for him getting any sort of reasonable punishment.

So, please...enough with the "this isn't about race" bullshit.

Oh, and while I realize it's not legally relevant, there's some articles hitting the web today about how Zimmerman's old, unused MySpace account is a treasure trove of racist, sexist, violent bullshit. Sometimes a cigar really is just a cigar.

as i said before, zimmerman's racism or lack thereof has nothing to do with the verdict of the case being racist or not.

those other cases you brought up have nothing to do with the verdict of the zimmerman trial, either. there are a huge amount of factors involved in the outcome of each of those cases, and they are cherry picked to support your argument. it's lazy to say it's all the solely the fault of deeply ingrained systemic racism.

@StanleyPain
Wow do u also get ur news from twitter and tumblr?
"While BLACK on BLACK violence or BLACK on WHITE violence gets totally ignored let me just uh cherry-pick some- oh wait I'm committing a fallacy. Oh well, I can't form a real rebuttal anyway!"

@John Holmes Motherfucker
Wow, zerdzer is clearly a troll I mean I can't respond to any of his points with logic but he's racist, I mean look at what he's saying. DID YOU SEE HOW MANY TIMES HE TALKED ABOUT RACE OR SAID "BLACK". Holy shit. He's also sexist too. Look at this:
"women, as if they are any less capable"
How dare he try to insinuate that women are equals with men, and how gender shouldn't even be considered in the first place.

Having a dissenting opinion isn't "trolling" or "seeking attention". Nice try though it's easier to call it that instead of arguing with logic.
The people spouting "TROLL TROLL" when they lose an argument or can't refute have to be some of the most asinine internet babbies I've ever seen. This is almost too good. Good video material if anything.

'babbies'

I dunno why I'm doing this, but here goes:

@zerdzer: I get where you're coming from, but the arguments you're hearing aren't irrelevant, or formulated from an irrational bias. While the Zimmerman case was certainly tried according to law, when you think about the details surrounding it, versus other cases of the opposite instance like Marley Lion's, there are direct conclusions that can be drawn which support judgement through a racial lens. While this also has to do with how vastly ineffective our justice system happens to be, the hammer end of that inefficiency is historically levied mostly at blacks, and now hispanics. These might be for some long watching, but if you really are interesting in engaging this dialouge, I think they would be worth your time:

http://youtu.be/gab8FUbEpXk

http://youtu.be/zz0nkKdkLqc

http://youtu.be/n6KgPR8wIMY

http://youtu.be/Hfie5bHG1OA

I don't care for the verdict of this case, but if it allows us to have an honest dialouge and take steps to solving these inequities, then maybe it wasn't all for nothing. Then again maybe I am just taking the troll bait here trying to be all open minded, either way, I'm done.

sup ecksuddess or whatever

this is a whole site of trolls, so your MSM definition of trolling doesn't apply here.

Calling zerdzer a troll is doing him a service: it's saying that his voluminous, childish opinions and opaque ego are a piece of performance art calculated to push the buttons of the user base's politics. That senario paints the user in a far better light than if his prejudices, too elaborate and absurd to possibly be real...actually are.

also try and be funny when you type stuff. reading ordinary internet type responses is boring and not why i come here.

If you don't think the verdict had anything to do with race, and you speak english and are informed enough to know who Trayvon Martin is, you're a racist.


The police knew this guy as a racist that called the police every time he saw black people in the neighborhood, even if they were just driving through. When they found him with a smoking gun standing over the dead body of a black man they didn't even subject him to the kind of scrutiny that someone pulled over for speeding would have gotten. They didn't run a background check or a drug test, which is fucking standard when a nonwhite person is killed, regardless of how plausible the excuse for shooting that person is.

A black person would have been convicted on a hell of a lot less. If this isn't immediately obvious to you, you're a racist.

Like, asking Yahoo Answers "do black people have tails?" racist.

thanks for at least reading what i said, candyheadrobot. people seem to think i am unaware that minorities have been unfairly treated by the justice system on a regular basis, in the past and present. i understand that people think that's what's happening in the zimmerman case, but i don't think that's what's happening this time. this angle is very played up by the media and that's why i typed all this crap.

i don't feel like you really are getting where i'm coming from when i look at the content these videos. it's not like i'm ignorant of racism existing. my main point in all of this is that systemic racism is not the sole cause of what has happened; it is very tempting to think it is, but thinking that is very bad for our culture. i'll give the videos a watch anyways i guess

He's not creative enough to be a troll, this reeks of the stupidity of sincerity.

i ain't stupid. i am totally sincere, though, 100%.

i could start saying you people are stupid, but that'd be rude, so i don't. hell, i don't even think it.

Then, you wont be surprised that we're capable of using induction to track the trends in your posts.

@ecksudee

I called zerdzer a troll because he's trolling. I didn't call him a racist, and I don't necessarily think he is a racist, but when he says "I'm probably the least racist person here," that seems pretty transparently like someone who is trying to piss people off.

>>Nice try though it's easier to call it that instead of arguing with logic.

Not much of a reader, are you?

You're goddamn right it's easier, and it's also a lot less pointless. Do you see me arguing with zerdzer abut anything? When I called zerdzer a troll, I was making fun of people who choose to engage him, especially chocolate jesus.

zerdzer says that I called him a troll because I really agree with him. I haven't been paying enough attention to say that he's wrong. I might argue with him about the meaning of "racist", but it would cut into my masturbation time.

:)

I knew it.

I guess it's pretty obvious.

Man, if I had a dime for every time a member of the Internet Debate Team used "strawman" or "cognitive dissonance" lately, I'm not entirely sure how much money I'd have because I'm terrible at math. But probably a lot.

If you guys didn't actually attack strawmen I don't think people would accuse you of it anymore.

Cry me a river, Gmork, you whiny bitch.