Currently USAs carbon emissions per person are *over 5 times* greater than Chinas, about 5 times the global average and well over twice as high as european emissions.

If you want to know whos responsible for climate change than look at how much carbon a country has released in total. USA and UK are at the top

http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/sustainable/book/tex/sewtha .pdf

page 27

Great book btw. And its free!!

Also a large amount of Chinas emissions (dont have any figures to hand for his tho) are as a result of manufacturing goods for US and Europe anyway.

I'm just thinking ahead with that comment.

China have been researching and investing *a lot* in sustainable energy recently. They make most countries look pretty bad in that regard.

Unless maybe the comment was not sarcastic... That did not even cross my mind :)

They're doing so, though in order to have that happen, they had to have huge populations living in toxic stews (Bejing) before it was seen as a problem.

And this is still a country that regularly allows things like lead to be used in consumer products. Just ask anyone in China why nearly everyone buys their family teacups and related dishes in Taiwan, and why buying Chinese ceramic vessels that have red pigmentation kills you even faster than the other colors.

China sounds like a libertarian paradise.

@SPW
Yes totally, but those things are not related to carbon emissions and climate change. Which is arguably the biggest threat we are facing atm as a species* You made a logical fallacy!!!! :)

*There are a load of other lesser ones including all kinds of toxins in various places. Read 'Collapse' by Jared Diamind to hear about some more.

It looks like the CO2 is coming from Santa Claus

Thanks, everyone who outsourced manufacturing to China.

Well why are you still living there?

Sometimes in life, we need a little kick in the pants to get ourselves motivated, and a mean global temperature increase of two or three degrees might be just the CHANGEportunity you're waiting for!

Come on up to Canada.

HOW DO I GET CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP??? I am poor and have no capital. I'm working on an MBA, but my job history is so far menial labor outside of mental health admin.

I'd wait until all that pesky ice is finally cleared away so you don't have to pack a shovel.

That won't be long.

Snow doesn't stick to the ground here anymore, it hasn't in years. Last Winter I was thinking how kids now will grow up to tell their kids how when they were young you had to catch snowflakes before they hit the ground and melted. Their kids will ask what snow is. Only I will remember blizzards.

What I hate is that the denier assholes use massive snowfall events as evidence that everything is A-OK climate-wise, while ignoring that they are erratic and unprecedented in a lot of places. While, much of the country fails to get even a light dusting of snow where we used to get a good couple of inches each couple weeks in the winter.

What I always find amusing is that I have no kids and I do a fuckload more for the environment than people that do have kids.

I'm trying to preserve the world for other peoples' kids while they leave their truck running out in the front street while they come in to have drinks for 4 hours.

true story

I haven't seen a carbon die, and don't call me Oxide.

I actually witnessed a pro-lifer using that argument. She knew fetuses had souls and to prove it "Do you think DNA exists? Have you ever actually seen DNA? Then how do you KNOW it exists?"

Might have to wait a couple of decades to see how the climactic shift plays out. The Northeast could become the new Tornado Alley for all we know.

It makes me wonder if greenhouse gases are the eventual fate for most sentient aliens. A species evolves and spends a few millennia spreading about their planet, then discover fossil fuel and live fat and happy off of that for a century or two before they cook themselves to death.

This isn't going to make us extinct. It will merely kill billions.