So edgy. Mind you don't cut yourself Mordecai.

I don't think you fully understand this concept called parody. You remind me of the Simpsons scene where a hardcore Itchy and Scratchy fan laments about two different notes being played on the same rib. I bet you're wearing a Genius at Work t-shirt.

You don't live in the first world, you live in Britain.

Yes, I have a question. On the POETV CD-ROM, is it possible to remove the stick from Oddeye's ass without using the wizard key?

What kind of a fuck one-stars Weird Al?

I love how defensive this site is o Weird Al, myself included even though I haven't owned or listened to a weird Al album since UHF on cassette.

Also the video won't even load on the page for me.

I couldn't get it to load on my computer, so I had to watch it on my phone.

FWP

You guys seem to be forgetting one law of the internet. In the real world, being a public asshole is something most people never aspire to be - for obvious reasons like consequences and common sense, etc.. On the internet, since there's no real consequences or common sense, everybody wants to be the biggest asshole in the world.

How is it edgy to say I don't have the same problems as affluent white Americans despite living in the same country?

Is it edgy to say Weird Al is shit or something?

I don't get it.....

Let me explain it to you. This is satire. The FWP meme started off being complaints as inane as having to wait an extra minute in the drive through or you forget to put your soda in the fridge so it's not cold when you want to drink it. This is satire because it makes the problems even more inane and trivial, and problems that probably nobody would ever have.

It's sort of like how the Onion poked fun at Best Korea by making a video claiming that they would bring the moon to Best Korea, or making a video about the Kafka airport being the worst in the world. Of course both never existed, but that's why it's satire. Exaggeration is part of it.

Weird al is just always "there" for me. Besides Nirvana's Nevermimd, I don't think I've owned a single album a song off which he's parodying so most of the time I'm not in on the joke. My old best friends' parents were friends with Nick and Mary, weird Al's parents, who died of carbon monoxide poisoning. They'd attend Dr. Demento's shows at the college by my house in the 90s. The news was incredibly sobering: for all the zeitgeisty and often unfunny novelty songs it was (pardon my pun) very weird to see a funny performer going through a very real and tragic ordeal.

It's satire of based on people who complain about stupid shit while others are starving to death. Alright, but how does that make my comment about about never having complained about those problems edgy?

It's still shit.

Getting sick of memes? Sounds like you've got a First World Problem, John.

Actually, i have several.

Also, fine, I'll bite. What makes you think Amanda Todd was not a First World Problem? Everything about that whole affair screamed First World; from the setup, to the suicide, to the hysterical reaction on all sides of the online community, and culminating in the absurdly fascist response from grandstanding public officials. Only in the First World would THAT be news.

I know one of your "things" is leaping to defend the honor of underage girls. There's nothing really wrong with doing that, and in this case I kinda agree with you, since suicide is tragic and it's pretty douchey to rag that hard on a stranger who made a string of awful life choices. But regardless of whether you sympathize with Amanda, or you hate her, or you just think people should show a little respect, surely we must recognize that killing yourself in a ridiculously dramatic fashion over some mean social-media comments, is textbook FWP.

FWP might be a tired meme-- but the jokes are decent, and the Pixies styling was enjoyable...

It's just kind of lame to one star Weird Al, but hey, be a rebel,

>>Also, fine, I'll bite. What makes you think Amanda Todd was not a First World Problem?

I think no such thing.
She lived here.
She had problems.
Fuck you.

>>What makes you think Amanda Todd was not a First World Problem?

>>I think no such thing.

So... you do accept that there is such a thing as a First World Problem, and you agree that the FWP label applies in this case, but... help me out here. Your only problem is you don't like people pointing that out?

I'd like to point out that contrary to Evilhomer's earlier post suicide is, in fact, painless.

Have no problem with First World Problem "jokes" (I wouldn't even call them jokes, just pointing out the obvious), but this video/song is poop.

Don't know who Amanda Todd was. Don't really care.

She was basically Boxxy, only with more tit-flashing and it ended in suicide. It was very sad and I can see why Mr Holmes cares so much, but the Mounties wasted an asburd amount of time and money "investigating" her suicide, and in what can only be described as an anti-internet conservative moral panic, it became a cause celebre for elderly, internet-fearing, pro-censorship advocates and the insane political opportunists who cater to those people, by pushing to make shit-posting an imprisonable offense.

EvilHomer is threatened that his right to cyberstalk and cyberbully underaged girls will be taken away.

Textbook first world problem

'FWP' is overused to dismiss everything that isn't: being tortured to death, having no potable water, or the dismisser's problems.

Another recent change is 'trolling', the meaning of which has now expanded to include "criticizing something for its irrefutable flaws (which is wrong n bad cuz i luv it)"

Amanda Todd was a 14 year old girl who was allegedly cajoled and persuaded into showing her tits to her webcam by a man who turned out to be in his thirties (there's recently been an arrest) and who tried to use the pictures to blackmail her into more explicit performances. She capitulated at first, but then she defied him, and so he sent the pictures to everyone on her facebook list. This led to a downward spiral of bullying and self-destructive behavior including drugs, cutting, promiscuity and, famously, attempting suicide by drinking bleach. She made a video about her ordeal before finally taking her own life in November of 2012.

http://youtu.be/ej7afkypUsc

>>and in what can only be described as an anti-internet conservative moral panic, it became a cause celebre for elderly, internet-fearing, pro-censorship advocates and the insane political opportunists who cater to those people, by pushing to make shit-posting an imprisonable offense.

Bullshit. This was a sexual predator and extortionist. Everything he did was already an imprisonable offense, and that's why he's probably in prison right now.

As horrible as the story is, the worst part is that, a year and a half after her death, the posthumous slut-shaming continues. People can't stop blaming the victim., like homer, who characterizes Amanda's story as "a string of awful life choices".

The reason why child pornography, or any sex with a minor is illegal, even if "ceonsensual" is because a minor is considered unable to be responsible for his or her choices in order to give consent.. I can't think of anyone who would disagree with that rationale, except perhaps the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), and, apparently, Evil Homer.

One sexual predator, John. One sexual predator. It's questionable whether a single guy cajoling a girl for pictures of her tits warrants twenty full-time officers dedicated to his case, and surely you'd agree that it's beyond absurd to suggest that an incident like that should spun as a "wakeup call" to "criminalize bullying". Yet this is exactly what occured.

If the guy is going to go jail, then let him go to jail for possession of CP. Assign one, maybe two officers to take him down, and move on. It didn't have to be made into more than it was, it didn't have to be a national scandal, and it was flat-out absurd that certain people would use it to suggest the colossaly stupid idea of implementing Chinese-style online thought-policing.

I've also got ask: what's up with that last paragraph there?! I've never suggested that CP should be legal, here or elsewhere, and I'm sure you know that already! Are you trying to avoid the issue by erecting a Straw Homer? Or is there something else going on...?

I hope you're not mad because I said you were obsessed with underage girls. I realize that can be a sensitive issue for you, and I didn't mean it like you were a pervert or a child molester or anything. I apologize if that's the way it came off! I know you're not a child molester, and I hope you know by now that I don't get a kick out being mean to you (although sometimes I enjoy getting you frustrated). It was totally not my intention to imply that you're a creeper, and if it came off like that then I'm truly very sorry.

Like you've said many times, you think of these girls like your daughters.

I thought we were talking about First World Problems...

First World Problems is writing a 6.000 word essay on how you are upset that The Hobbit is being shot at 60FPS.

First World Problems is not an adult sexually harassing and blackmailing a minor.

Is it that hard to figure out?

Getting blackmailed after showing your breasts on the internet is very much a first world problem. It is a *real* problem, yes, but the setup was very first world. FWP is killing yourself over it. FWP is complete strangers jumping on the over-sensationalized news reports and making it out to be a national tragedy, instead of accepting it as the sad, but relatively minor incident it was. FWP is focusing all of the discourse on attacking the nebulous threat of "cyberbullies".

I agree with Mr Holmes, and presumably you, Mr Nu'man, that Miss Todd did not deserve what happened to her, and a small, measured legal reaction, directed against the one guy involved, that would have been completely fine. My point is simply that the unbelievable amount of angst and drama the incident caused was, and still is, very typically FW. We can all agree on that much, surely?

Kids killing themselves is a first world problem.

Thanks for explaining that EvilHomer!

Sort of. There are mitigating circumstances for everything, and the math can get quite complicated, so I'd hesitate to make blanket statements like that. Every case of teenage suicide must be evaluated on it's own terms! However, I think it's fair to say that unless you're killing yourself because you were maimed by a landmine and your subsistence-farming family will starve to death if they try to support you, your reason for suicide is probably not acceptable.

And partially. Again, Miss Todd's actions were only part of the problem; the *reactions* to her suicide were even less justified. Tout le monde, j'accuse!



To expand the scope of this discussion a little further, consider Jessi Slaughter. She was younger than Amanda Todd, endured far more explicit sextortion, and was the direct target of an internet shitstorm that absolutely dwarfed what happened to Miss Todd. Her father actually *died* because of it. And yet, Ms Slaughter never killed herself. She was still able to soldier on.

>>I've also got ask: what's up with that last paragraph there?

It's not exactly a straw homer, and I know you never suggested that CP should be legal, but I'm making a point about what you seemed to be saying. The moral and psychological underpinning of the law is the idea that a minor isn't considered competent to give consent, but when you talk like this:

" it's pretty douchey to rag that hard on a stranger who made a string of awful life choices. "

The implication seems to be that even though she's a minor, she's responsible for her choices. And I was making the point that the law disagrees with you there, but you know who sees things your way? NAMBLA! NAMBLA's position is based on the idea that a minor can be considered competent to give consent and responsible for his or her choices. You should know that this is not the first time I've used this argument, so don't take it personally.

We're not talking about possessing CP. We're talking about a 30something dude sending it to everyone in the 15 year old girl's family and bragging about it, a constant drumbeat of humiliation tha t continued over a couple of years. A girl who insecure enough, and needs approval enough to be cajoled into showing her tits is going to be especially vulnerable to this kind of humiliation.

>>However, I think it's fair to say that unless you're killing yourself because you were maimed by a landmine and your subsistence-farming family will starve to death if they try to support you, your reason for suicide is probably not acceptable.

Are you trying to suggest that if I agree with you that suicide was not a good idea, that means that the sextortionist is not responsible? That dog won't hunt.

It's pretty unlikely this is just one predator, and just one victim. This is one of the most cruel and hateful crimes I've ever heard of, and they can send the Justice League AND the Avengers after this piece of shit. I'm fine with that.

By the way, my internet is down, and I took my laptop over to Mc Donalds to answer, but I 'm going home now, and I may be offline for a while.

There's a documentary about Amanda Todd that I may submit.

This whole thread is some extreme levels of insanity.

Yeah... Good Job POETV, you did it again.

You're pat of this now, too, Nu'man!

Gooble Gabble

Hell, it's better than the new Pixies. If you told me this was a pixies song I'd probably believe you too.