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Cena_mark - 2014-10-11

Spike is spot on here. People will tell themselves that gentrification isn't bad to ease their guilt.


baleen - 2014-10-11

In the 1960's (when Spike's father moved there) white people left Ft. Greene, all the services disappeared. They were castigated for White Flight. Then they move back, the services return, and they are castigated for gentrification.

I am very split on it, since I moved into a seriously fucked up neighborhood when I was a kid that was being ravaged by crack cocaine.

My basic philosophy is limited rent control, real estate tax breaks for long term residents, and other kinds of controlled expansion. But overall, a little gentrification is good.
Also, black people didn't build Fort Greene. They were not the first people there. It's New York. They took over the place in the 60's. A bit of hypocrisy there, but that's kind of part of Spike's deal.


baleen - 2014-10-11

also, I've been gentrified out of almost every neighborhood I've lived in, so I feel the pain. Again, split on it.


baleen - 2014-10-11

And yes I know they've been there a long time, but it's never been a "totally black thing." It's like more parts of Brooklyn. A seething mass of flux and change.


yogarfield - 2014-10-12

I live in the CD, I hear this speech daily.


baleen - 2014-10-13

I grew up in Columbia City.
Crackheads were all like "Would you like a blowjob?" when I was 12 years old waiting for the bus.


yogarfield - 2014-10-29

No shit? I was there earlier today. What do you know about the Jungle?


James Woods - 2014-10-11

Don't worry, Spike. There are going to be just as many poor white people as poor black people soon enough at this rate. Whites aren't looking out for whites exactly, people are all just looking out for themselves and theirs. Disparities of all sorts with income inequality among any given group are most likely the result of inheritance. It's a class issue, not a race issue. Am I wrong!? AM I WRONG!?


That guy - 2014-10-12

Just as many numerically, or just as many as a ratio of poor whites to total whites?


American Standard - 2014-10-13

Nothing terrifies a poor white and sends them running for the cold embrace of sociopolitical conservatism like the danger of comparison to poor minorities.

Yeah, you may be unemployed. You may be in a trailer, a high school dropout and and stuck on welfare. But at least you're not one of Them.


Caminante Nocturno - 2014-10-11

More importantly, what does Tyler Perry have to say about this subject?


Cena_mark - 2014-10-11

Only coonery and buffoonery...


dairyqueenlatifah - 2014-10-11

I think this is the third time this has been posted.

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=132153


Old_Zircon - 2014-10-11

I saw that but since the video is gone I didn't know if it was the same one or not, and I didn't feel like reading all of the comments.


infinite zest - 2014-10-12

Oh yeah! That's the one where I went off about Vietnamese Sandwiches and basement shows going the way of the dodo and Portlandia representing a utopia that people like to watch on TV but not experience at bartime because of their stupid kids. Don't buy a place next to or near a bar if you don't want your family to get woken up. There's plenty of quiet neighborhoods that are less expensive. I don't live there anymore because it's a condo now. Le sigh..


Void 71 - 2014-10-12

Despite the fact that he lives in a multi-million-dollar house on the nice side of town, what Spike claims to want (an all-black working-class neighborhood) hasn't existed in any major city for at least a couple decades. Working-class people of all races gradually moved to the suburbs as the urban factory jobs that traditionally sustained them dried up, leaving behind only the poorest of the poor. If you don't have a cushy white-collar job, you're generally better off living in the suburbs (or the country) where real estate/rent is cheaper and the cost of living is lower.


infinite zest - 2014-10-12

Yeah. My hometown is usually used as an example of this, along with Williamsburg and other parts of Brooklyn. If you look back in history, Portland in some ways was worse than the South as far as Segregation goes (the town runs on a simple quadrant-based grid system, but there's an area affectionately and ironically known as the "5th quadrant;" that might be funny now but guess what that meant up to 30 years ago..) and gentrification here literally meant kicking black people out of their homes for fancy boutiques and art galleries for primarily white people. There was always the argument that black people live there in the condos too, that it had nothing to do with race, but fact is I still think of that area as the place we put all the blacks in, whereas I never made that association with Brooklyn (if anything I think of pizza and Super Mario Bros, no joke.)

The gentrification in my neighborhood was almost entirely white; basically price the hipsters, factory workers and the elderly out like gophers and make way for the families who used to be cool but now call the cops at 3 in the morning. The irony of course is they want to live in the middle of the city because it's cool. The suburbs are boring, etc. even though it's probably a better choice for their children down the line to live there.


baleen - 2014-10-13

The PNW was traditionally (and still kind of is) a place where white people move to get away from minorities. The sundown towns in Oregon and Washington were among the worst.


Old_Zircon - 2014-10-13

My family is from the PNW. In high school one of my father's friends was Chinese, and his family owned the local bowling alley but they had to live in the next county because that county had a "no Chinese allowed after 8 PM" curfew on the books.

It was interesting visiting Portland with him recently and getting a guided tour of what it was like in the 60s.


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