The first one looked like you'd just undergone a glaucoma test, the second one just sucked. Lost sucked. Abrams is a hack and his hipster glasses are dumb.

The mark of hipster isn't the glasses (I have no idea what Abrams looks like); it's making a big deal out of hating things that are mainstream and popular. I'm so glad there's no one like that in here.

Lost was pretty crappy, if I'm going to watch Bush-era torture porn I want less pseudointellectual wank and more Kiefer Sutherland.

And before I get accused of being some pop-culture hating hipster, I watched the fuck out of 24 and I'd do it again.


Anyway, being a hipster isn't just about hating what's popular because it's popular, it's about adopting the superficial qualities of what is perceived as "underground" without actually contributing anything. Hipsters are fashion punks.

Jerry Garcia nailed it in an interview late in his life when he was asked to explain what he meant when he talked about hipsters flooding the late 50s/early 60s San Francisco scene. To paraphrase:

Hipsters were kids who sat around in coffee houses wearing berets and black sweaters and carrying paperbacks of Howl that they'd probably not even read completely, trying to impress women.

Swap out the specific counter-cultural fetish objects and that description holds for every variant since (prior to the beatniks it was a term that was used in urban, black jazz scenes all the way back to the depression, but from what little I've read about that it seems like it was less pejorative before white people picked up on it).

c.f. "poseur"

Hipsters are the yuppie gentrifiers of the art world.

Hipsters are perfect marks, so when you see them coming you can be sure that con artists and marketers* are close behind.


*same difference

Because hipsters either don't contribute to the scene they've latched on to, or if they do their contributions are lazy and derivative, they have enough extra time and energy to install themselves as the gatekeepers of their chosen scene. Hipsters book and curate.

I'm so sick of dealing with hipsters.

Every time something really vital an interesting starts happening around here it gets fucked by the tag team of hipsters and zoning departments, with the occasional help of local arts councils.

Star Wars can suck my dick.

It depends on which Star Wars alien, but if we're talking Twi'lek dancing girls, then I agree with baleen.

And no, this will not bomb. People went to see all six Lucas Star Wars, even though Lucas is terrible, even though each film wound up being worse than the last. Abrams has shown that he can make fun, enjoyable scifi adventures, so unless there's some bizarro social dynamic at work here, like maybe everyone is secretly a masochist and the whole reason Episodes I-III were successful was precisely because they were so crap, then Episode VII is pretty much guaranteed to be a hit.

Besides, Star Wars > Star Trek, so why would you ever want to see Abrams get demoted back to Trek?!

The biggest hipster I know was flipping out on Facebook about how good this looked earlier this evening, and his sub-hipsters were all agreeing I don't even know anymore.

There was supposed to be a period after "agreeing." Kind of changes the meaning.

7 OZ posts in a row about hipsters.

7 OZ posts in a row about hipsters.

People are going to argue about that thing for a full year, aren't they?

JUST MAKE LIGHTSABER ARMOR GUYS, GOD!

Just make a gun that isn't lightsaber-defelectable. Something where the shots go too fast to see and react to and can fire really fast. Like the guns we have now.

The KOTOR games had plenty of "saber-proof"weapons like that: ion rifles, sonic blasters, disruptors, not to mention every flavor of grenade. Granted those were set like a thousand years or somesuch before all this shit, but it's not like they wouldn't still have similar options.

They really need to just stop trying so hard to make lightsabers cool. It's a sword made of laser, guys! It's already as cool as it's ever going to get. Unless the try-hard idiot wielding the riced-out saber there is actually meant to be portrayed as a try-hard idiot.

I didn't watch this video but preemtive stars for salty fandom tears and drama over the lightsaber crossguard.

Not gonna be happy until someone has spiky armor where each spike is a little lightsaber.

Also, horned helmet with lightsaber horns.

They were watchable.

I enjoyed them.

I grew up watching Captain Kirk wrestle the Gorn, so when millennials bitch about bad CGI, I'm often baffled. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say the CGI in the Star Wars prequels is at a level that makes them sort of worthwhile if you can forget about how they do absolutely nothing to further the story.

Episodes 1-3 is the origin story, the slowest most predictable 40 minutes of every comic book movie franchise, extended over three movies. It was a terrible idea when Lucas had it back in 1979 or whenever. By 2000, he may have known better, but the train wreck moved forward under it's own inertia, as train wrecks do. It was presold.

Anyway, Episode 7 doesn't suffer from the burden that 1-3 did, which was the requirement to set up a preexisting classic that had worked great for 25 years without setting up. Plus, the Abrams reboot of Star Trek was better than anyone should have expected, so I think there's ample reason to be cautiously hopeful.

That's an interesting perspective. But as a millennial I grew up watching no CGI, CGI that looked great at the time, and now CGI that honestly I don't think will ever look old. Because of this, Star Trek as a kid was some show my dad loved that I never got into because of better looking alternatives, like Star Wars, until I was at the age where I could really appreciate the writing. The new fast-paced ones seem to scream "NOT YOUR DADDY'S STAR TREK" in a way that seems almost insulting to me.

It's not the pace I love about the new Trek, it's the surprises. Like When Leonard Nimoy showed up in the first movie, or when the bad guy in the second movie turned out to be Khan, or when Kirk "died" instead of Spock in the second film. Abrams does fascinating things with the altered timeline premise of the reboot, and the new series rewards fans of the older material in ways that I find far more interesting than just a straight retread.

Of course SolRo enjoyed the prequel trilogy. Of course.

Yes that is a black person, you nailed it.

He's combing the dessert.

WE AIN'T FOUND SHIT!

I'm a fair-weather fan. I was too young to see the originals, and didn't until I read most of the books, played games like Tie Fighter and Rebel Assault, and lied through my teeth to my friends about Star Wars facts because their uncles had the laser discs or something. I made sure that none of my friends would see me when I watched the remastered theatrical re-releases when I was like 15 or so. By that time I had seen Hidden Fortress and Spaceballs and pretty much got what Lucas was doing. What's weird was through all of that, the biggest spoiler in the cinematic world (well maybe next to soilent green and planet of the apes and citizen kane) was somehow still a surprise to me.

But this looks like a fan trailer. Seriously.

Lucasfilm kinda took care of all that in advance, though, by declaring everything except the movies and the new TV show as not being canon anymore.

@zesty TIE Fighter was dope. I played the shit out of that and crushed some mother fucking rebel scum.

@stanpainy Really? A little disappointing, but I doubt that can stem the flow of chubby Jedi butthurt the world over.

IF YOU LOOK EVEN CLOSELIER, THE TIE FIGHTERS ARE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE FALCON etc. etc. I don't even care. Abrams would have been a lot smarter to crowdsource this movie. For people who kinda give a shit.

whoops sorry not meant as a reply. TIE Fighter was my favorite.

Tie Fighter had the best cut scenes.

Fuck yes, TIE Fighter. Shields are for chumps.

Shields are for pussies. Twin Ion Engine 4 lyfe.

On top of the Falcom shot.

Fuck. I'm geek.

Actually, the clone troopers are still around, they are just all crammed into Vader's legion.

Everyone else is conscripts / volunteer troops.

Now excuse me while I comb the sweet-tarts out of my beard.

Yeah, I know. . .I feel, what's the opposite of shame?

I am a typical adult geek, and I just can't bring myself to enjoy anything Star Wars related. Five stars for what will surely be the most over-hyped piece of hot garbage to hit theaters since Episode III.

I know! Im not watching the trailer, cause i know i will be just as disappointed as Plinkett.

I'm willing to throw down money that Abrams will turn the two into one, just like with Lost.

I hope he puts some polar bears in it! Jedi polar bears, with two-handed lightsabers, and a whole sub-episode dedicated just to their backstory!

Playing out in my mind right now is Vincent and Boomer in a lightsaber battle

He turned Star Trek into Transformers. All he did was swap robots with space ships.


Begin story with flashback to protagonist's dead (great-grand) father discovering the villain.

Flash forward to fuckup protagonist who thinks a new ride will help him score the hot chick he met.

Military decimated by villain's advanced technology.

Learn that the villain and good alien are refugees from dead worlds. The villain seeks to harness the power of a spherical device capable of salvation or destruction.

Protagonist enacts his plan of running around shouting NO NO NONONONONONONONONO and yo mama jokes.

Villain is defeated by ramming the spherical device into them.

Plinkett's review of the first one summed it up pretty well. Early on, Spock takes the elevator thing to the bridge, which takes him about the time it takes to turn around in a circle. That doesn't seem like a big deal, but to fans of the original series (or even the original movies) it's a bit of a "fuck you" as that's where they had minute-long (or longer?) often-plot-shifting conversations. Maybe others noticed it too, I don't know.

But it's little details like those that I think are more important than everything Star Wars fans (rightfully) bitched about with the prequels. Abrams isn't Roddenberry or Lucas, but you're telling THEIR story. Do your fucking homework if you're gonna make fucktons of dollars doing it.

Fabio these are yours.

>>Plinkett's review of the first one summed it up pretty well. Early on, Spock takes the elevator thing to the bridge, which takes him about the time it takes to turn around in a circle. That doesn't seem like a big deal, but to fans of the original series (or even the original movies) it's a bit of a "fuck you" as that's where they had minute-long (or longer?) often-plot-shifting conversations. Maybe others noticed it too, I don't know.

>>But it's little details like those that I think are more important than everything Star Wars fans (rightfully) bitched about with the prequels. Abrams isn't Roddenberry or Lucas, but you're telling THEIR story. Do your fucking homework if you're gonna make fucktons of dollars doing it.

http://tinyurl.com/ma3lnz5

But in Abrams' defense...it really is Tolkien's fault for the whole "kill the badguy with a magical circle" trope.

hehe it's true. Ironically, Captain Kirk was pretty miffed that they didn't want him in the new ones, whereas they wanted Mister Spock.

Wow no kidding. I'm going to blame the quality and pacing of this trailer on some exec at Disney screaming into Abram's ear that the internet was promised a trailer around the Thanksgiving weekend. So.... here you go (?) The way movies are made these days, I'm surprised that there was any non-cgi footage at all to go with over a year in advance.

Oh well. You'll watch it, I'll watch it, we'll all fucking see this. just make sure to not ignore a much more important Christmas 2015 movie, Glenn Beck's The Immortal!

The trick is to remember that it's just a goddamn movie.

Then call me Patty Hearst. ;)

The trick is remembering that George Lucas isn't that involved this time and Disney, I have to admit, knows what they are doing now.

"Disney, I have to admit, knows what they are doing now"

hahahahaha

Dude the other 100 billion odd planets are like, completely boring. Shit only happens on a handful of worlds, yo.

You care a lot about people you think shouldn't care a lot.

You'd think Star Wars was a teenage Youtube personality the way you defend its honor.