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infinite zest - 2015-01-15

What's with all the news stations choosing not to show the image? For the last week all they've done is talk about freedom of the press in the face of danger and how brave they are to get back to work. Do they really think that they'll be any more-or-less of a potential target if they just talk about it, describe it and not show it?

P.S. It's not an offensive caricature. Look it up and tell me otherwise.


Oscar Wildcat - 2015-01-15

No, but that wanton harlot's refusal to wear a burqa _is_ offensive. Call Rupe and complain!


SolRo - 2015-01-15

Freedom of the press also includes the option to not show something that offends a group of people.

I don't think Hebdo wants to offend all Muslims with their attempts to troll extremists, but they are using imagery that most Muslims find offensive. It's like if I criticized Israel by yelling "kikes!" every time.


SolRo - 2015-01-15

conversely, I've seen some places show the latest and earlier Mohamed cartoons, but despite it being repeated that Hebdo makes offensive cartoons about every religion, I haven't seen any of those cartoons reprinted.


StanleyPain - 2015-01-15

Probably because Hebdo doesn't get firebombed/attacked/threatened when those cartoons hit the shelves. Just the Muslim ones.


SolRo - 2015-01-15

I think it's just poor journalism not to reprint examples of cartoons that other groups would find offensive, to demonstrate the point their writing tries to make.

And in my mind it makes me question if all this boasting of fearless freedom of the press only applies to the anti-Muslim things in regions where Muslims are a minority while offending the majority religions is verboten.


The Egyptian news outlet that reprinted the cartoons has some gigantic fuckin balls though.


Gmork - 2015-01-15

Drawing a picture of muhammad is NOT equivalent to yelling "kikes".

What a fucking ridiculous comparison.


simon666 - 2015-01-15

SolRo: When news organizations are under real threat of violence from muslims for showing the prophet, the new orgs cannot 'choose' to be sensitive to the feelings muslims by not showing the prophet; the news orgs by being under threat of violence are being coerced into being sensitive, which is not in fact authentic sensitivity, is it?


SolRo - 2015-01-15

That would have to mean that the news orgs weren't sensitive before the attacks (like if Fox News suddenly started being nice to Muslims).

But almost all news orgs are sensitive by default to keep from driving away viewers/readers and, more importantly, advertisers. And in the same vein, I think those advertisers are the reason that none of the hebdo cartoons that would offend xtains or jews got reprinted...because the press are cowards as soon as their money is in danger.


SolRo - 2015-01-15

Another thing going on here is that the big news orgs are being responsible by not showing these. They have hundreds of reporters all over the world, some in areas that would make them easy targets for reprisal attacks.

It's easy to be full of bravado and blow smoke up your own ass if you're offices are located safely in the middle of the US, but other organizations don't have the luxury.


Enjoy - 2015-01-15

SolRo one of my values, that I hold dear, is freedom of speech. I'm offended that Sky news won't show the photo. Why does Skynews choose to offend me rather than Muslim terrorists? That doesn't seem fair.


SolRo - 2015-01-15

"Everyone must offend Muslims or they hate freedom"


I know you Enjoys of the world aren't very creative, but there are tons of ways to directly insult terrorists without relying on general bigotry or racism.

Look, I'll insult terrorists without insulting Muslims...it's like fucking magic;

"ISIS is stupid."

"Al Qaeda are retards."

"Cherif Kouachi sucked a donkey dick dry before attacking Charlie Hebdo"


Rodents of Unusual Size - 2015-01-15

Solro, my honest answer to you is that INTENTION is everything, but not everyone conflates drawing a cartoon of Mohammad as insulting Islam. Most grown ups view that as a silly thing because if I'm going to insult someone I'll just call them a cunt.

Mohammad was a cunt. Now see, THAT is insulting.

But the problem here to me is that so many like yourself are basically looking at a crazy belief and saying okay, everyone who doesn't pander to this groups belief is insulting this group. If a group of Scientologists told you they would be insulted if you watched that video of Tom Cruise acting crazy talking about healing people with his mind to the Mission Impossible soundtrack, I think you would probably say "why no that isn't insulting and I don't view it as a direct insult to your religion".

People have VERY different ideas of what constitutes an insult and we are never going to all agree on what that entails so screaming racism and bigotry about every person that dares to challenge the precious views of a few people who are always SO HURT that their views are not being perceived as valid is childish and boring.


SolRo - 2015-01-15

It's called being professional and/or respectful.

I'll insult those religions and cults in my private time all I want. At work or at school I keep that to myself for the above reason.

It's also called not being a dick just to be a dick.


infinite zest - 2015-01-15

My point was that a blind Muslim offended by an image of Muhammad is no different than a Muslim with 20/20 vision seeing it on TV. Simply describing it only complicates matters, because, if you live in a bubble where all you get is Fox News, Sky News, PBS Newshour, NBC ABC CBS CNN.. I could go on, then the description becomes more complicated than it really is: it's like trying to describe the Jabberwocky or something: it's different every time you hear it.


Enjoy - 2015-01-15

SolRo, instead of attacking me, can you address my point? Why do Islamists get priority over me and billions of others who value free speech?


SolRo - 2015-01-15

cuz ur dum


SolRo - 2015-01-15

After the attacks there seems to be this conflation with freedom of the press and insulting people being a responsibility of the press.

I never knew that insulting was something the press needed to do, I always assumed that reporting and informing the populace was the press's responsibility. Reporting will always offend someone as a byproduct, but it's main purpose isn't to insult just for the sake of being offensive.

What Hebdo does seems to fall more into the realm of freedom of speech and expression, not freedom of the press.


Rodents of Unusual Size - 2015-01-15

But it's not insulting to me to show Muhammad so therefore it's not insulting to everyone. So why pander to a minority just because they are whiny?


SolRo - 2015-01-15

not sure if serious or trolling...


Enjoy - 2015-01-15

SolRo why not just answer things instead of attacking everyone who poses you a question? Why does the media have to pander to a few and insult everyone else who values freedom of speech? This is the biggest news story in the entire world right now and deserves coverage, not censorship.


SolRo - 2015-01-16

you're not helping the serious or troll conundrum.


Rodents of Unusual Size - 2015-01-15

We here at Sky News know we'll probably be killed by the most peaceful religion. We like Muslims here at Sky News. Now here is a hard hitting piece of journalism about puppies in funny miniature hats!


Nikon - 2016-03-24

Misogynistic, homophobic, genocidal religion of peace


That guy - 2015-01-15

"editorial decision"


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