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Prickly Pete - 2015-03-13

During that small window when people thought ICP could actually fit in at a big industry festival. This album went platinum. The very next year, their next album barely broke 200,000.


Old_Zircon - 2015-03-13

But they were able to take the money and publicity and become

-the most financially successful rap artists of all time
-the most financially successful independent label of all time (not 100% sure about this one but pretty sure)
-one of the most financially successful independent wrestling promotions of all time


So good on them I suppose.


Prickly Pete - 2015-03-13

Most financially successful rap artists of all time? By what measure? Are you suggesting they've made more money than Jay-Z? That would be egregious poppycock so I must be misunderstanding. I'm certainly not saying they're unsuccessful by any means though. Heavens no.


Old_Zircon - 2015-03-13

I don't remember the figures but I believe the two of them pull in something like million a year in profit from ICP alone.


EvilHomer - 2015-03-13

Jay-Z is worth roughly half a billion dollars, although most of that is from being a producer and music executive, not a rapper. ICP might be the most successful independent rap group, and I've heard that they're the best selling band who gets no mainstream radio play, but most of ICPs success comes in the form of spiritual capital, not money.


Old_Zircon - 2015-03-13

I started looking for figures but it ended up being more interesting to look through the ICP/Eminem beef related posts from the early 00s that are still on the official Eminem forums:

http://www.eminemweb.com/board/showthread.php?t=7723


Old_Zircon - 2015-03-13

Strike "official" from the above.


EvilHomer - 2015-03-13

Truth is, homosexual Joe, you are gay. To add with that, I'm not gay. Joe, really you like to fuck a guy in his ass. Stop lying, you don't like girls, you're too pussy. Get over it Joe. You're a loser too, same with Oberon, Yucca Killer, DJ Jake, and that wop. And, fuck Kevin Smothers(Butt Smothers), fuck Shane Rodgers(Gayne Fudgers), and fuck Feminem.com (feminem.com SUCKS DICK AND EATS DICK) Fuck Joe, YOU SUCK DICK AND EAT DICK TOO! Feel my obliteration, just feel my obliteration. My obliteration to a faggot named Dickless Joe. YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF QUEERS, YOU ALL, and you people are not liked, and you don't know why. You people at FEMINEM.COM, you damned defenders, you damned supporters, you whackass kids aren't liked. And I'll say it the last time, DJ Jake doesn't care for any of you lowlife motherfuckers, DJ Jake doesn't care for any of his fans. That's right Joe, DJ Jake doesn't give a damn about you. Plus, if he isn't going to take his website down, THEN IT WILL BE TAKEN DOWN FOR HIM! His website is indecent, his website is improper. His website is VERY profane, just like yourself. You are a fucking retard Joe, you heared me? YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD! Others who are fucking retards:
Oberon, Yucca Killer, DJ Jake, that wop, Kevin Smothers(Butt Smothers), Shane Rodgers(Gayne Fudgers are fucking retards.) SO, if Slim Jakeus DOESN'T take down his website, then his anus site, then his anus website will be taken down for him.
OH, WELL I TAKE MARTIAL ARTS! I TAKE KUNG FU(Northern 7 Star Praying Mantis Kung Fu and Shaolin Chin Na.) I TOOK JUDO, JUJITSU, SLIGHT BIT OF NINJA(NINJITSU) AND JKD, KARATE, SLIGHT LITTLE BIT OF TKD. Have you heared of Jing Kwan Dao by Grandmaster Alexander Tao? Have you heared of Grandmaster Alexander Tao's Jing Kwan Dao? No, NO YOU DON'T! You are just full of bullcrap. I'll take the both of you on and totally destroy you both. YES, you heared me correctly, I'll take on the both of you and totally destroy you both. God even knows that. A pathetic fuck is the ONLY thing that you can prove to me Joe. The ONLY thing that you can prove to me is that you're a pathetic fuck. Oberon is a pathetic fuck, DJ Jake is a pathetic fuck, Yucca Killer is a pathetic fuck, plus that wop is a pathetic fuck(the wop/wop), Kevin Smothers(Butt Smothers) is a pathetic fuck, and Shane Rodgers(Gayne Fudgers) is a pathetic fuck. You mean you are currently retarded, and you mean you are currently fucked. You are currently fucked and retarded. You HAVEN'T BEEN IN IT EVER! You have not earned any black belt, and you are an imbecile. I see how you spout your total trash. You spout total trash. I'm sickened to hear you say you take martial arts, the same for Oberon, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT TRUE! YOU HAVE A CERTIFICATE TO PROVE YOU'RE A SUCKER! SO DOES OBERON HAVE A CERTIFICATE TO PROVE HE'S A SUCKER! (BUT YOU BITCHES DON'T HAVE A CERTIFICATE TO PROVE YOU'RE A BLACK BELT!) COME ON NOW! But although I have a certificate to show I am a black belt. FUCK YOU HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE IT! FUCK YOU HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE ANYTHING! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE YOU'RE A BLACK BELT. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE YOU'RE EVEN IN MARTIAL ARTS. Oberon has not practiced JDK, Oberon has not practiced ANY of it! Do you understand? The both of you have not practiced anything. The both of you have practiced NOTHING!

Oberon hasn't practiced Jeet Kune Do. Oberon HASN'T practiced Jeet Kune Do. Oberon practiced none of it. Murderous Joe practiced none of it...
-------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------
THEY HAVE PRACTICED NONE OF IT! {BITCHES}


EvilHomer - 2015-03-13

Thank you so much for that, OZ.


Prickly Pete - 2015-03-13

As best as I know (which is more than a layman but less than Violent J and Shaggy themselves), that million figure is total bullshit. They've been asked about it in interviews and they say they don't know where that comes from. I get the part where "oh of course they're gonna say that because of their image" blah blah blah, but I do know that Psychopathic laid off about a dozen-ish employees in the last year or so because of money, so it seems like hogwash to me. A lot of the vendors at the 2013 Gathering didn't get paid because Psychopathic's checks were bouncing. I don't say this to suggest they're about to go bankrupt by any means--that all sounds like relatively mundane stuff for a small business to go through--but I'm just saying they aren't pulling in Jay-Z money.

"Jay-Z is worth roughly half a billion dollars, although most of that is from being a producer and music executive, not a rapper." True but as far as I know most of Psychopathic's profits come from merchandise and not record sales, but don't quote me on that. "I've heard that they're the best selling band who gets no mainstream radio play" That I can certainly believe, though with the music landscape changing so much now I'm sure that title will eventually be passed on.

Sorry if I'm long winded. I have a problem with not being able to not talk about ICP if anyone around me is engaging in it. I could talk about ICP all day to anyone who will listen.


Old_Zircon - 2015-03-13

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the million figure is bullshit. Though I do know someone who's been to the ICP mansion (he delivered a Tempest machine that another friend sold them on eBay in the early 2000s) and apparently it is pretty posh.


Prickly Pete - 2015-03-14

Oh, well early 2000s sure. That's coming off of 2 platinum albums, but like I said there was a sharp drop off at around that time. As best I know they have scaled back since then. I've seen pictures of their current office and it's a pretty nondescript looking warehouse on the outside. Looks nice on the inside though. I've never been there personally of course. That's the dream!


ashtar. - 2015-03-13

Hey it's Waugh


EvilHomer - 2015-03-13

Juggalos will be the next Mormons. Just watch. Another couple hundred years, and the void left by the end of Christianity will have been filled in by clown rap.


infinite zest - 2015-03-13

A lot of people at Woodstock 99 took this song quite literally. I would too. With the exception of Elvis Costello and Megadeth there's not a single band on that line-up that I liked even in 1999.


blue vein steel - 2015-03-13

Is it even possible for a rap to be lazier?


Accidie - 2015-03-13

I have a "clean version" of this song buried somewhere. let me try and find it.


Accidie - 2015-03-13

https://youtu.be/J94Gq3SCi18

that work for anybody?


EvilHomer - 2015-03-13

They sound like very angry Germans.


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