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SteamPoweredKleenex - 2015-04-03

My Little Pony: Ironically, Clothes Aren't Magic.


EvilHomer - 2015-04-03

There's been a huge spurt in fanart of this since yesterday evening.

Could use a "Sailor Moon" tag.


BiggerJ - 2015-04-03

Fanart of fanart of fanart. See http://atryl.deviantart.com/art/Apple-Bloomers-Episode-6-First-Adv enture-472469967 from last August.


EvilHomer - 2015-04-03

And for the benefit of those of you who don't wish to spend much time investigating the provenance of this video: my research indicates that the "Apple Bloomers" series was a minor fan-work, dating from at least a year ago. I'm not sure when this animation was made or why, but there's some excellent digital art featuring these characters, here:

http://fav.me/d7tao5r
and here: http://fav.me/d7tixz6

The "Hasbro aired this" rumor seems to have originated with the webmasters over at Equestria Daily, who posted a link to this video on April 1. It was a brilliant ploy, really - it is obviously "fake", in the sense that Hasbro would never authorize the creation of an entire show like this, but the blatant fakeness of it seems to have drawn everypony's attention away from the real April Fool's joke: that this probably wasn't even aired on TV in the first place! It's a brilliant piece of April Foolery.


EvilHomer - 2015-04-03

Oh, yeah, ninja'd by BiggerJ! Links I posted are to the same guy.


Cena_mark - 2015-04-03

Looks like they intend for Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon to be the villains. Told you they were evil.


EvilHomer - 2015-04-03

What they intend, and what the Sugar Lumps actually are, are two different things entirely.

Besides, that's Silver Spoon fighting Apple Bloom, not Diamond Tiara. And we all know Silver Spoon is a bad influence on Diamee.


duck&cover - 2015-04-03

Yes, many huge spurts involved.


Cena_mark - 2015-04-04

Diamond Tiara is the leader. She's the bad influence. The Apple Bloomer creators made the Sugar Lumps villains based off their villainous nature on the show. They are evil. There is no redeeming value to them until the show shows otherwise.


EvilHomer - 2015-04-04

You know else told everybody, without question, precisely who was evil and who was good?

Hitler.

The fact that Silver is the follower further illustrates what a bad influence she is on Diam-bag; left to her own devices, Diamond Tiara would clearly choose good over naughtiness, so the negative influence on the Sugar Lumps must be Spoon's and Spoon's alone. And the show has already demonstrated plenty of redeeming value; they are popular, they are rich, and they have their Cutie Marks already. Their *true* value might only be seen by deconstructing episodes and reading between the lines, but the obvious, surface value is plainly there for all to see.


BiggerJ - 2015-04-03

This completely fooled me. Not into thinking that this was a real show, but into thinking that someone had animated an anthro underage pony taking her clothes off - and it was HASBRO.


Cena_mark - 2015-04-03

That was a long and vicious hopper battle. An important victory for Brony kind.


ashtar. - 2015-04-03

I'm not going to watch this, but I look forward to the comments.


Jet Bin Fever - 2015-04-03

You guys must be joking if you say you appreciate this bullshit. I was watching an episode with my niece (who is the appropriate age) and was thoroughly bored with the show. I wish someone could succinctly explain why people care about this show and not so many similarly inane little girl shows.


Bort - 2015-04-03

The rumor is, the appeal is in how it's a show about friends being friends without being all angsty or jerky. Which, I have to say, is why I enjoyed "Parks and Recreation" so much. Doesn't hurt that P&R was hilarious; but even when it wasn't laff-mongering, it still held together through sheer friendship, like this clip showing us Ron Swanson's fate:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/755881#i2,p0,d1


Old_Zircon - 2015-04-03

I've tried three times t get past the Fresh Prince theme bit at the beginning of season 2 of Parks and Recreation because I thought season 1 was fin in a simple, escapist way, but man that scene is just hurting me. I'm going to force my way through it tonight, though, because everyone seems to like it.

On the other hand, lots of people still like The Simpsons, too.


Old_Zircon - 2015-04-03

Ok, that resolved well and was also not the same song I remembered. Phew.


Old_Zircon - 2015-04-03

Disregard all of that.


EvilHomer - 2015-04-03

What Bort said is a big part of it. Also, people like it because it's neither inane nor girly; it's actually well-written, gender-agnostic, and fun.

Which episode did you see, JBF? And what shows would you consider to be "appropriate" watching for the rest of us?


EvilHomer - 2015-04-03

Getting a little bit more in-depth, I've long argued that the MLP phenomenon has to understood within the broader context of the death of the postmodern, and the rise of New Sincerity. Basically, what we're seeing, and what is hardest for the outsiders and the left-behinds to come to terms with, is the end of hipster culture. The edginess, the pretense, and most of all the jaded bitterness of the 90s hipster's crib-dead romanticism, is giving way to a wave of decent, hopeful, positive people, the sort of people who aren't going to give up on life that easily.

It's not just MLP, of course; MLP is simply one of the biggest forces within a much broader artistic and philosophical movement, a movement which includes Bobs Burgers, Parks & Rec, Sonichu, and even (to some degree) Adventure Time.


Jet Bin Fever - 2015-04-03

Haha, that's one of the best written pieces of complete bullshit I've read in a while. But you're incredibly talented in that field!

I don't know what I'd recommend as far as TV. I guess I'd say the typical Vince Gilligan stuff and House of Cards is pretty great too. It's so much a taste issue as much as the age issue. I like kids, and some day when I have one I would gladly watch cartoons with him/her. In the meantime, it's really depressing to watch cartoons by myself. Though, I have to admit, if someone put on Ducktails or something, I would be forced to watch it out of pure nostalgia. I wouldn't watch the whole series though,and probably 10 minutes would suffice.

As far as movies, I just saw It Follows, which was great.


EvilHomer - 2015-04-04

It's not bullshit, and I think you know I'm right.


Bort - 2015-04-04

I wouldn't call what EH wrote "bullshit"; I think he's on to something, where they're discovering that there's an audience for sincerity and openness. I don't know that it's a movement exactly, so much as producers discovered there's a way to do it. Or maybe it's a reaction to saturation by selfish jerk characters.

I do know that my favorite moments on "The Office" were the ones where Dwight tried to show compassion, in his awkward, semi-broken way. Sadly, those were few and far between. Wish I could find the clip, but there's a season 3 episode where Dwight comes upon Pam crying in a stairwell (she's just given Jim's new girlfriend some good advice and in doing so may have pushed Jim away forever); Dwight's initial reaction is to say "Who did this to you?" all protectively. Then after thinking for a few seconds, he sits down beside her, puts his coat around her, and says "You're PMS-ing pretty hard, aren't you?" Nobody has a worse understanding of women, but Dwight's sincerity shone through.


Cena_mark - 2015-04-04

I don't even think you're a cartoon fan Jet. MLP:FIM is made by people who love cartoons. They know how to make them appealing to people of all sexes and ages.


EvilHomer - 2015-04-04

>> I don't know that it's a movement exactly

A few links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sincerity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-irony
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuckism

I actually don't really like the term "New Sincerity" (I'd prefer "NeoRomanticism", "PreDerridaite", or something similarly faggy), but it's the one that seems to have gained the most traction so far.


EvilHomer - 2015-04-04

A good way to grasp my point would be this: think about Family Guy. Consider what your opinions about Family Guy are, and why you feel this way.

Now Family Guy is one of the postmodern shows in existence. It's cruel, it's ironic, it's loaded with disjointed pop-culture references; in fact, at times, it seems to be *literally nothing more than* a pack of cynical assholes meaninglessly re-contextualizing the cultural relics of bygone years, for half an hour minus commercial breaks. And contemporary audiences hate this! They didn't always hate it. A sudden tide of dissatisfaction appeared online maybe seven, eight years ago; a culture-wide backlash against Family Guy and the Seth McFarlane Media Empire, because of what it represents to people. Currently, Family Guy is practically a byword for the passé, _and the main reason why it is passé is because people are sick of Family Guy's toxic postmodernism_.


Cena_mark - 2015-04-04

I used to like Family Guy. I'm sure most of its haters did. During its first run it was fresh. Then it relaunched and the humor depended more and more on cruelty and pop culture references.


Jet Bin Fever - 2015-04-04

That's a really interesting point about Family Guy, thanks Homer.

And Mark, I'd disagree that I'm not a cartoon fan. Maybe I'm not currently a kid's cartoon fan, because I'm in my 30s, but I still like cartoons well enough. The Simpsons was my favorite show for 10-12 glorious seasons, until the great fall happened. So, it isn't cartoons... it's this taking of something meant for entertainment and inflating it and inflating it with meaning, when it is just a cartoon. I don't care how good you think the writing is.

Basically, my opinion boils down to this: Defining and labeling yourself by something you're a fan of is foolish, no matter what the thing is.


Jet Bin Fever - 2015-04-04

Oh, and it's sad how much money people spend on worthless plastic crap from this show. Okay, that's all for now.


Cena_mark - 2015-04-04

By cartoons I mean supposed kids cartoons, which really aren't for kids anymore. Check out MLP, Avatar/Korra, and Gravity Falls. You're the one poo pooing MLP for being a cartoon. If you're not a cartoon fan you're not in any place to say its worse than other cartoons, and thus judge bronies the way you do.

I don't buy any plastic junk from the show, but I don't need anymore clutter.


RedHood - 2015-04-03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7HJH0IH3dc


StanleyPain - 2015-04-03

socially broken people.


EvilHomer - 2015-04-03

You two, apparently.


M-DEEM - 2015-04-04

Make that three. Totally lost in this post-postmodern, sincere and open new world.


Caminante Nocturno - 2015-04-03

I really hope this follows in the footsteps of shows like Nanoha and is nothing but lasers and fanservice.


Sudan no1 - 2015-04-03

You know PoE has a problem when the youtube commenters with MLP icons think this is in bad taste.

five evil stars.


fedex - 2015-04-04

it hurts my mind to think people care or put any energy into this.

five for evil


EvilHomer - 2015-04-04

The comments are similar on other sites dealing with this subject, and in regards to said comments: the ladies doth protest too much, methinks.


crasspm - 2015-04-04

Reporting in.


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