Louis CK

Is one of the funniest men on the planet.

Only a dipshit would vote lowly on this video. I see two so far.

Louis CK

and one ★ for opie & anthony

Add me to the dipshit train. Louis CK is unfunny, and wrong or nonsensical just about every time he veers from "God I'm old and ugly" into any social issue.

Zero social issues are discussed in this clip. Did any of the 1 stars even watch it?

Jesus you people and your identity politics.

We're turning on Louis CK now?

"Louie" has been consistently good well into five seasons now so you're stupid

@Nominal, I wouldn't hold it against them for their views. You can give him props for being a dirty comedian and still hate the jokes that attract the stupid people. It's the same with George Carlin.

Louie CK is hilarious you guys are fucking queers.

>Jesus you people and your identity politics

Where do you think we are?

Louis CK And a Fat Girl
Desc: Wow. I don't even watch this show but this was absolutely beautiful. Possible spoilers if you watch.
Category: Classic TV Clips
Tags: louis ck, fat girl, gender roles, fat louis ck
Submitted: infinite zest (Edit This Entry)

infinite zest
I think I'd like this show. A lot of it seems like conversations I'd have with my friends anyway.

The "I know a gay guy: "Do you guys gets AIDS from using yours toothbrushes if you brush too hard and yours mouths is bleeding" That kind of turned me off. Not because it's like "ooh shit they said that on FX" but because it's kind of a conversation that I can have with a lot of my customers. Divorced, single, just looking for.. something. Don't know what. Try to find it at 2 in the morning. Won't work. Cry to sleep. Wash rinse repeat do it again tomorrow. It's sad but true. He's like the Pagliacci of our time: A person who can laugh through the tears of existence. I'll go back and watch the old episodes.

So I did.. the show's like Girls but for a fat dude. And I like Girls by the end of an episode, even though I'm thinking "bullshit" the entire time I tend to tear up. I shouldn't have one starred it, but I still don't like him. Next video you submit, I'll autofive because no I didn't watch the video either.

The Girls comparison is apt because they're both humorless, dull shows about nothing. Both make the occasional token but unsuccessful attempt at comedy--"It's not a comedy!" the fans of each will proclaim, and they're certainly not wrong about that. They both try to substitute a sense of profundity for humor or anything resembling plot, and fail miserably. They both have absurdly unlikable, one dimensional characters.

Louis CK himself is not his TV show character but he doesn't seem far off.

I tried to watch the "clip." It's 41 minutes long.

Im sorry for your ADD, Mr Potrod.

Im not even a fan of the Louis show.

This clip is nothing like the show.

Opie & Anthony

you guys are like, so good at judging comedy! you could be judges at The Comedy Awards!

The thing about "Louie" is that a lot of the material starts with something that Louis CK has already distilled into a 30-second stand-up observation, and he tries to unpack it into a 22-minute show. Sometimes he's more successful at it than other times.

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The thing about "Seinfeld" is that a lot of the material starts with something that Jerry Seinfeld has already distilled into a 30-second stand-up observation, and he tries to unpack it into a 22-minute show. Sometimes he's more successful at it than other times.

The other elephant in the room with me and Louis CK is his insistence on using the word "retarded" and that's got nothing to do with population I work with or when I hear people say it. It's natural and literally, it's more correct than replacement words like "developmentally/intelectually disabled." And like I said in the "Kill the Faggot" video, I won't watch a Jonah Hill movie, but at least he apologized immediately. Imagine if he defended his usage of the word, especially in Hollywood. It's not that I'm sensitive: it's that he continues to defend his use of the word, in clips like this one:

https://youtu.be/tkEzSZ3c1zk

And I think that's totally gay.

To which I would counter by linking to a George Carlin routine on language, if I wasn't so lazy. Intent is what matters, and you don't change intent by changing the word. If "retard" was stricken from the Earth, eventually another word would replace it and grow to be just as hurtful, or people would continue to keep picking the next negative word to go after (probably both). Nothing has been changed for the better. It's like expecting disease to go away if doctor's change their bedside manner.

And holy fuck what a boring place this would be if we continue on this trend of "I haven't watched the clip and never will because the person in it once said a thing I didn't like and knee jerk 1 star grandstanding over that other unrelated thing instead of discussing the actual clip content is the way to go."

Ah fuck it, here you go. Carlin's bit on offensive language:

http://www.iceboxman.com/carlin/pael.php#track1

This is why it's hard for me to see this as anything but trendy moral grandstanding. Nobody accuses Carlin of being an MRA commie nazi atheist muslim, even if his stuff was way more brutal than anything Bill Burr or Louis CK ever said. Can you picture anyone auto 1 starring Carlin clips? "1 star for rape joke MRA"

See how similar you can sound to Bill Donahue when it comes to selectively condemning Louis without having even watched the thing in question:

https://youtu.be/5GdePh8uRpA?t=11m50s

It's true, and like I said I am isolating one word into a community that cannot necessarily defend against it when it's said without the help of a lot of certain organizations: it's kind of like making fun of the paraplegic and yelling "come and catch me if you're pissed off" vs. calling someone a nigger and getting the shit kicked out of you. "Retard's" not "their word" the way other words are, because defining the population as a whole means that some of them can't grasp it and fight back. I dunno, obviously CK's a smart guy, and at times a very funny and observational guy who says the things most people think, and kudos to that. But to me, that soundbyte isn't using it under a "comedic" or "observational" way, it's pretty much an overall opinion on the mentally disabled.

But yeah, at the end of the day, we're both right.

Louie is hilarious in that clip as well.

I think you're taking yourself too seriously, Nominal. Louis CK has given that subtle liner note that the history doesn't absolve because you're young, but Carlin, to me, was a bit more blunt about the stupidity of taking "They're only words" at face value.

"Their only words. You can't be afraid of words that speak the truth, even if it's an unpleasant truth, like the fact that there's a bigot and a racist in every living room on every street corner in this country."

The entire reason I do not like seeing them constantly used is that it enables the people who deserve that grinding pressure to feel accepted. Unless you have a cure for bigotry, in every possible sense that it will spawn, THEN maybe I'd feel a bit more relaxed on the subject knowing there is a set a rules and conditions that can be easily and readily brought up in case you come across a turd. Until then, every minority is going to have to fight with a guessing game and previous emotions to deal with any stray words.

I really, really, wouldn't take a ready instance of SJW's attacking your heroes. It just leaves you ready for score keeping, not navigating and putting them in their place.

I actually want to ask a question here, to Nominal/everyone who thinks the 1 star reactions are not warranted. What is your view on when and who shouldn't get flak for saying something stupid and/or abrasive? The problem I have with letting it slide is that it falls in to an opposite idiom that is just as pretentious as "those words are bad". The fact that the KILL THE F*GGOT game developer, shoe salesperson is leaning heavily just as much on "humor" and "freedom of speech" as they were on flimsy misinformation to cover their tracks means that those words, thoughts, perceptions being taboo were enough to send an idiot on their way to internet infamy. While that may not seem new, the fact that Valve had been lenient enough to allow that game to pass is. I'd be willing to wager that if they caught wind of anyone calling the outrage stupid because "the game is a joke", they would be just as tempted to take back their reinstatement of "Hatred" due to the implied social cleansing in that game is a prevalent ideology with nazi skin-heads. (Side note: I'm pretty sure Caminante's IP and accounts from his internet service provider are black listed.)

I'm willing to answer your question but I don't understand it. So I'll answer what my best guess at your question is, "how should people react when someone says something they find offensive?"

Louis CK actually talks about this quite frequently. He always says that people don't have a right to not be offended. In other words, when people are offended by something, it's their problem to deal with, not the person or thing that they found offensive. Now, I don't agree with that, but my opinion on the matter is far closer to Louie's than to 1-star brigade here. I think people should be able to say whatever they want (and they are), whether that's a white guy saying "nigger" or a black person talking about why people shouldn't say "nigger." It's through that dialog that the words take on more important meaning. But it's through the "never ever say that I am offended!" shit that the word just becomes some lazy weapon and totally useless. Everyone is pretty well aware of the baggage associated with "nigger" at this point, I think. There are people that use it that clearly aren't racist and people who use it that clearly are. If there wasn't this insane reaction every time the word gets used, it would actually be a really clear barometer to use to see how racist people are, but it isn't like that because racists and non-racists alike just avoid using it.

As for retarded, it clearly doesn't have the cultural baggage associated with it - very few people know or particularly care about how loaded it is for the mentally challenged (or whatever the non-offensive word is). I've heard a lot of the stuff surrounding it, but honestly I haven't been moved to care that it outweighs my love of saying things like, "what a retard." But there's more that goes into it as well. I don't think many people, myself included, have any hostility towards the disabled. I never did call things "gay" and stopped calling people "faggot" ages ago because those are clearly born of hatred towards homosexuals. Who actually thinks of disabled as "retards," even if that's the original meaning of the word? To me, and I assume most people, "retard" is just a more lyrical synonym for "idiot."

I disagree that it would be a clear barometer. I think it's stupid to assume that bigots are that socially incompetent and/or lonely. It takes time for someone to open up with a suffix of "because of the Mexicans" in a dialogue, not because spic, wetback, are associated with bigotry, but because the the baggage they have associated with Mexicans conflicts with the idea of integration. Pretty much it's an ironic twist since it's the same tense of finding acceptance/your place in the midst of what is a mass of unidentifiable clutter as any other minority would be in.

And a note, the "no one should not be offended" tends to be a catalyst for self-destruction socially. As Louis CK once said. "Comedians are pussies."

As for the concept of baggage, the problem with that it ends up turning into an all or nothing situation. I'll type some more when I get on my desktop.

Crap. My mind is fried at the moment, so I'll have to respond tomorrow. But I will leave a response to the subject of the word "retard".

It's a very blurry situation. It can be used as a stand alone insult, but the difficulty isn't when you're being a giant asshole. The difficulty is that the undiagnosed don't feel that it applies to them, but the diagnosed are a lot more sensitive due to the condition affecting not only learning but their social life as well. It's a lot more difficult to shrug off an insult like that when you're easily isolated and intimidated socially, mainly due having to work harder for your life lessons and experiences.

As someone who was diagnosed very late in life and had nothing visually apparent, I can tell you that my only reasoning back then to not use it would have been because it's a put down, not because I understood the struggles of growing up with a mental disability.

(Note: what I wrote applies mainly to kids, but I'd be just as cautious and vigilant about an adult's reaction. It's extremely difficult to grow when there are not many people around you.)

The problem with "retard" is that the baggage is a lot more personal. The best example I can give is when someone told me in a music chat Wesley Willis was a retard, Wild Man Fischer is better. There were a lot of things that were offensive to me besides the obnoxious manner. Willis didn't just have to deal with a socially crippling disability, but emotional trauma of being robbed at gun point by a family member. And amidst that, the assumption that he DIDN'T know what he was doing was the most offensive bit. As if he didn't know his music was different or that he was humorous. The fact that said person in the chat room preferred Wild Man for his darker nature was enough to turn me off from taking seriously anyone defending the use of word retard when they get told out.

The only people I'll admire for using offensive terms are the ones who admit that there is no defense for those offensive terms. Which is a sad note, since it's mostly the solidly indoctrinated bigots who have that concept down.

This thread got pretty masturbatory.

Maybe everyone should...watch the clip?

I did, I did watch the clip.

What's a caddyshack waiter?

The part where they mention the waiter in Caddyshack?

Everyone fails at watching this clip. You're all fired.

What's caddyshack?

Caddyshack is a place dummy!

How much is admission, Nominal?

for children
for adults
for seniors
for humorless cunts who think Louis CK is in the same bottom tier of comedians as Carlos Mencia and Dane Cook

He's nowhere near that for me.. I'd say he's somewhere around (get your throwing rocks ready) Bill Burr. Both of them make me laugh from time to time and sometimes their observations are really spot-on, but I'd either have to be completely sober or drunk as fuck to want to hang out with them if I struck up a conversation with them at a bar. But it's really hard for me to get into stand-up. I once got drunk and yelled out a heckle and really pissed off some guy at a free comedy night at some bar. That person was Ian Karmel. Guess what he's doing that I'm not? To this day I believe that I'm damned to Comedy Purgatory because of that remark. But it was pretty funny. :)

What a terrible movie Ed Wood was. I get it, Tim Burton! Ed Wood was bad at movie making! How many times you going to pound that joke into the ground for 2 hours huh huh?

There's more to the humor than that. The main thrust of it is "Paul O" (who played the waiter knocked into the pool in Caddyshack) defending his mess in the exact same manner as William H. Macy's character in Fargo. Just an incompetent defensive weasel spouting bullshit to feign competence.

then why couldn't you just submit the source material?

plan 9 is a great movie to watch and laugh about, but I wouldn't want to see it with a commentary track of three grown men constantly giggling, pausing so they could giggle more, and occasionally making obvious jokes about what is on the screen

>>I get it, Tim Burton! Ed Wood was bad at movie making!

You don't get it.