|Lef - 2015-08-10 |
That was good.
My school sex ed was pretty good, considering it was a catholic school. At 13 we got a solid biology lesson, stages of pregnancy along with very graphic birth video, and detailed run-down on on STD's and contraception, I remember it being 100% technical. The birth video was probably the single greatest tool for the girls in the class to use contraception.
The emotional or social aspect was completely ignored, as was anything that strayed from male/female relations. Oral/anal or even old fashioned handjobs were not mentioned.
The topic of anal eventually came up outside of school, and a group of guys(kids?) came to the conclusion that a woman could get pregnant from anal, but the kid would end up with a birth defect. Even then I knew they were idiots.
Rodents of Unusual Size
Orange County had no sex ed due to CONCERNED educators banning it. One of my worst memories from high school is being chosen for a leadership conference and I was good at public speaking even then. No fear of mics like the others, so I wrote down our ideas and presented them to a panel of scary looking adults. Mainly it went something along the lines of "there are a dozen girls graduating this year who are pregnant, we feel that there should be some kind of education for them so they don't get pregnant." I still remember it being something that I was both really proud of (being able to speak in front of a large audience for the second time in my life) and horrified by (due to the subject matter and the eye contact with old people that I thought might want to see me die burning on a stake). It was like Atreyu crossing the Southern Oracle only I was going to be zapped to death by Abstinence Statues.
I worked really hard on my speech and made it as eloquent and diplomatic as I could, and they dismissed me at the end by saying something like "we've already considered this and you're not going to get anywhere, but hey thanks for coming and pretending we live in a democratic society!"
I remember feeling like I'd totally failed the group of students I was with, and I remember them telling me I did really well. But I didn't feel like I did.
On top of all this, I knew nothing about gay sex and no one told me so I spent over a decade having anxiety attacks at the mere thought of it, and not having any idea how to attract a guy nor any confidence whatsoever. Thanks, my home county!
I remember spending my freshmen year of high school in California. We got an in-depth, incredibly graphic, no-holes barred sex ed course, complete with videos that were about as sexually graphic as it can get while still being strictly educational. There was pretty much nothing we weren't taught about birth control, protection, how (vaginal) sex works, pregnancy, STDs, and the potential consequences of it all.
Then I moved to Oklahoma over the summer and I remember we took yet another sex ed "class" which wasn't so much of a class than an assembly that consisted of watching three videos from the 80s full of outdated information that taught you absolutely nothing. One was about STDs which, to my amazement, was from a time when people still thought only gay people and IV drug users contracted HIV, and concluded with "here's what these horrible diseases are you'll get if you have sex, so don't have sex." The next was a collection of interviews from women who'd been raped, and there really wasn't anything more too it, it was just women telling their horrible rape stories, crying, and talking about how now they can't sleep at night or have relationships because of it (how this correlated with sex ed is anyone's guess). The last one was a recording of a church sermon by a pastor lady (yes, this was shown in a public school without informed consent from our parents) yammering on about how horrible premarital sex and contraceptives are because sex for any reason other than making a child with a spouse isn't love sex and is therefore wrong and God doesn't want that for you and condoms fail 66% of the time so telling people to use them is wrong and God doesn't like them so wait until you fall in love and are married to lose your virginity the end.
I remember the next year hearing two of my fellow 17-year-old classmates, who sat and watched those same "sex ed" videos with me, and went on to graduate with me, arguing over whether a woman could get another woman pregnant via lesbian sex or not. One of them was certain that she could.
That argument pretty well encapsulated the effects of abstinence only education in my mind.
|Binro the Heretic - 2015-08-10 |
Why do we insist on leaving sexual education in the hands of people who hate sex and the people who have it?
When you remember that these are also people who believe the earth is 6000 years old, evolution doesn't happen, and climate change is a lie, it makes a whole lot more sense.
|jfcaron_ca - 2015-08-10 |
When I was 6, my sister 9, our parents bought us matching sex-ed books. Matching in that they were from the same editor, company, and for the same target kids except one was the Boy's book and the other was the Girl's book. My book was about 3/4" thick and the chapter on Girls basically contained everything that my sister's book did. My sister's book was like 40 pages long.
I wish we still had those books so I could go back and be all judgey on the material.
My mom got me and my bros The Body Book (by Claire Rayner). We used to laugh at it hysterically, but it probably helped. That, and the fact that she was a nurse, and talked to us openly and honestly about sex to begin with.
|Old_Zircon - 2015-08-10 |
That was good.
|Hooker - 2015-08-10 |
So, the Breaking Bad and teenage John Oliver reveals were pretty great. I think this is the first time Last Week Tonight was actually funny instead of just informative.
Rodents of Unusual Size
He's shown that pic of himself a few times now, it's pretty self-deprecating and it makes him even more adorable.
|The Mothership - 2015-08-10 |
|John Holmes Motherfucker - 2015-08-10 |
Meanwhile, the same kids in these abstinence-only programs are watching a shitload of online porn. Porn doesn't turn guys into rapists, and it doesn't turn girls into prostitutes, but it doesn't teach them anything useful about negotiating real relationships. They grow up, and real women don't react as expected. This is where MGTOWs come from.
If MGTOWs came from a lack of proper sex ed the human species would have went extinct centuries ago.
Anyone who's literate with half a brain and has been paying attention to the world around them for the last decade knows exactly why shit like MGTOW and AVFM exist, and it's got nothing to do with sex ed and porn.
DairyQueenLatifah, I want you to start paying attention to the differences between posters Memedumpster and ROUS. Because to me, it sounds like you've become extremely complacent isolating yourself from emotions when a statement completely separate in tense ends up becoming the same paragraph.
The same situation that gave ROUS incredible anxiety over being gay is the same situation that enables any males to consider females as inferior let alone any social aspects that an EDUCATIONAL video is attempting to align with what ever zeitgeist a department of education/school board is vouching for.
That question from a student of "is it okay to be gay?" is very poignant when considering that age is when your hormones can make you question what route your emotions aim for. If you haven't had the situation where your emotions made you uncomfortable, congratulations. Either you're a high functioning autistic who has either taken for granted their complacency or have become comfortable enough with their own emotions and social perspective to not react quickly, or you have some skeletons in your closet that are unrelated, but have affected your emotions where it would skewer your perception of what ever you take in.
Either way, fuck you for pigeon holing people who are socially engaged enough to be affected by an educational program that does nothing to tell you how the world actually works when telling you how it works with just the bare facts is WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO DO AT AN AGE OF EXPLORATION. Just because it didn't unnerve you doesn't mean jack shit you can ignore it and consider every other person to be an emotional, air headed skank.
PS: I read your paragraphs in Lef's thread, spunk monkey.
|Binro the Heretic - 2015-08-11 |
Pam Stenzel is apparently an incredibly damaged person. I'm not making a smart-ass joke, here. She seems really fucked up. Her mother was impregnated with her by a rapist. When Pam was born, she was given up for adoption.
Most of her "abstinence education" consists of slut-shaming and denouncing all forms of birth control. She's also strongly anti-choice. Her personal issues couldn't be more obvious if she took them around with her everywhere in the form of a giant billboard.
I have sympathy for her, but she's not the sort of person who should be telling children anything.
She sounds like me if I took my thoughts too seriously.
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