Should it cost more or less?

I'd assume the biggest expense goes towards the use of the movie, which are mostly cheap B movies. I don't see how that would amount to alot.

Giving them two million dollars to do nothing at all is the least they deserve.

That we get three episodes out of it is like the grace of God.

Building a set would probably be a big chunk of it, unless they CGI it or something.

it's a lot of money for three episodes

not completely off the wall ridiculous but definitely more than necessary

Someone suggested he might have to buy the irghts to the show from Jim Mallon, and that could be a million right there..

they break down the actual cost issue pretty clearly, actually. about 1.25 goes to kickstarter's rake, the credit card processor's rake, and shipping the rewards. they're hoping to make each ep. for a quarter-mil each.

actual, actually, actuality

250k an episode is reasonable

production costs are all over the place

Or at the very least, Rifftrax has.

Both of you are so wrong that the ghost of Immanuel Kant just made a deal with the devil to rise from the grave and go on a rampage. You just proved that a priori knowledge means nothing.

OK, how about this: how about Joel turns on his webcam, cracks some jokes about a bad movie, and I pay him nothing. He gets to riff some more, we all save two million dollars collectively; everyone's happy, everyone wins.

The funniest thing about this Kickstarter is: Joel KNOWS he's full of shit. Half the page is dedicated to him bringing up some frankly pretty obvious points about what a stupid/ unnecessary idea this project is, then avoiding answering those points, in hopes that his nerd fans will be SQUEE'ing themselves too hard to realize that Joel hasn't actually justified his demand for funding.

Oh, and the Crow and Servo segments are just plain embarrassing.

Long post, short: MST was great fun back in the day, but maybe we should leave it buried. I don't think the world, or our nostalgia, needs Crow T Robot cracking dated, FamilyGuy-style jokes about Cee-Lo Green.

Wait, when did Joel force you to give him money? He's asking for it from the people willing to give it so he can make something a lot of people want. It takes money to make media, even the media we enjoy. Why don't you call for the defunding of MLP, obviously six fat nerds from Newgrounds and a book of Aesop's fables, never read, could make that show.

You realize money grubbing as sole value over the potential value of a delivered product is why capitalism is a disease, right? The first tactic climate deniers, and Republicans immediately default to when they don't want something to exist that doesn't exist solely for them is "MAH MUUUNAAAAY!" even though it's other peoples' money, not theirs.

See a psychiatrist, ask for ECT as an introductory, preliminary treatment to something harsher later, and then GIVE JOEL YOUR MONEY!

I'll make popcorn.

I said it before, but there was a period of time when all I really had were my Robot Friends, and people on BBS that I'd never meet in real life. The show basically taught me how to watch movies. But that said, EH is right: New MST3K will basically be the same thing as before but with more Bieber/Kardashian jokes and such and such.

It was cool to watch this and see the funding literally go up during the presentation; I don't think I've ever seen that before. And I don't know if I would've liked MST3K as much if it wasn't for the robot friends, especially as a kid. It'd be like watching "Best of the Worst" and sorry Jay, Mike and the Gang, but you wouldn't have kept my attention span when I was 14 the way Crow and Servo and the Gang did.

He deserves the shot. If it sucks, it sucks.

Who said Joel was forcing people to give him money? Of course he's not forcing people to give him money. He's asking for it, begging for it, tricking people out of it maybe, but he doesn't own any congressmen; he can't "force" us to give him money, the way car companies and cops and ISIS mujaheddin do.

What I'm saying is that Joel can do just fine without any money whatsoever. If for some reason he needs venture capital, he should get a temp job at Stop & Shop; in a couple weeks time, he'll have enough money to buy a smartphone with a camera and a "Record" feature. If he wants to turn a profit from his MST revival, he can sign up for Google Adsense. Maybe he could make an Etsy account, or a CafePress site, to sell whatever crappy merchandise he's got in mind?

I dunno, frankly I think Joel should be paying ME. I'm doing all this social media consultant work for him completely pro bono; how 'bout he sets aside a few hundred grand to help me out. Scratch backs, mutually.


And you know the funny thing, the way CAPITALISM works, investors get a share of the profits. That is traditionally why investors invest: they shoulder the economic risks of a project, and in return, if the project works out, they might be able to see a return on their capital. What do you wanna guess my fifty bucks of donation money would get me from Joel? Partial ownership over the means of production? No. I get a fucking shirt, something which I could have bought on Amazon for a tenth that price.

Homebucket : "OK, how about this: how about Joel turns on his webcam, cracks some jokes about a bad movie, and I pay him nothing."

... sixteen minutes later...

"Who said Joel was forcing people to give him money?"

You poor thing, it's an advanced case. You start by screaming that Joel, who brought so much joy to the world, should have the terrible kind of life we who didn't make MST3K have, and then you dive right off the cliff to demanding Joel give you money.

You're basically Mitt Romney and Donald Trump's sex tulpa. I think the only solution may be to sign you up to my Communist newsletter, the MST3K Fan Club POBox 5325 Hopkins, MN 55343.

Meme, at no point in the sentence "how about Joel turns on his webcam, cracks some jokes about a bad movie, and I pay him nothing" is the concept of "Joel forcing people to give him money" even alluded to. In fact, if Joel WAS "forcing" people to give him money, then clearly, my idea of simply NOT giving him money would be impossible - at least, not without physical violence and/or the intercession of the law. "Force" implies that we have no choice in the matter, when very clearly, we do.


All I am doing is presenting you with an alternate scenario for how this whole "Joel asks us for money" thing might play out. In fact, here's another one: instead of sending Joel money, in hopes of hearing more "reference humor" about celebrities nobody's cared about in ten years, consider sending that money to Rich Evans. Or Chris Chan. Or me, you know, for example. The world is full of creative people who have not years ago retired to their network-television-salary-paid mansions, where they spend their days sitting on beanbags stuffed with Comedy Central money, getting blown by call-girls too young to even know what an "MST3K" is. Find an autistic science major who wants to do a Youtube show about ants. Find some furry on Patreon whose life's dream is to create an all-vore retelling of "Anna Karenina" in webcomic form. Just please, for your sake and the sake of the community in which you live, spend your money on something better than this.

Nunscents.

Joel could easily do this without you paying him as well. You made you keeping your money and him not making more MST3K dependant on each other in your own sentence. Unless, of course, that was just irrational animal noises for "wah don't want say noises make not" which is fine, I wont judge, but you implied rationality.

God bless you, optogenetic scientists. Soon, the promised land.

I wont even touch the logical fallacy so bad it's been used to facilitate genocide excuse that one either has to give money to Joel or Rich. One could easily do neither or both.

Just admit it, MST3K is too cool for you.

The question isn't whether or not you should patronize MST3K; the question is why you would give Joel a dime when Mike's been doing a better job for decades.

But before you answer just give me a second to melt some butter.

For art's own sake.

That's actually part of the appeal. I think Mike was a better test subject, but not everybody does, and the fact that Joel hasn't been doing it for 20 years makes the prospect more inviting than if it was Mike, who's been doing the riffing it all along.

Both of you are so wrong that the ghost of Immanuel Kant just made a deal with the devil to rise from the grave and go on a rampage. You just proved that a priori knowledge means nothing.

+stars

EvilHomer is such a shitty, boring failure.

Evil Homer is not boring.

Yeah, that is uncalled-for.

Don't go out and buy a razor or anything, when this was in the hopper it was at something like 700,000 and now it's over 1,000,000 with 30 days to go.

There's no way this will not get funded.

The real question is: how much of the money raised will go towards paying off bookies and Colombian drug dealers?

Isn't that always the question?

Yes, but it usually involves the words "Adam Sandler" in the same sentence.

I hope that he isn't full of shit and that he somehow pulls off getting back on television. Although part of me is kind of sad for him that he never got any roles after MST3K and I hope he's not just desperate for cash.

Also they have reached well over a million and a half so they will most likely meet their target goal.

Mike is not involved, nor are Kevin or Bill Corbett. However, Jim Mallon no longer owns the rights to MST3K apparently, as old MST3K episodes have gone up for sale on the Rifftrax site weekly as of two weeks ago.

All previous talent has been invited to return as writers.

Here's how I imagine this went down:

1. Mallon says to Joel he won't part with the rights for anything less than a million dollars.

2. Joel goes to, oh, for conversation's sake, Jerry Seinfeld, asks for a million dollars. Jerry writes him a loan.

3. Joel buys the rights to MST3K from Mallon for a million dollars. To pay off Jerry, Joel goes to a crowdfund for two million, enough to make the show AND pay off his mysterious debtor.

4. Now owning the rights to the terminology, Joel puts up MST3K2 and makes three million dollars. He keeps the extra million and like signs Christmas cards or some shit.

5. $$$netflixbux$$$

Frank! Frank! Frank! Frank! Frank! Frank!

The great thing is that, since there's the internet, they're not all going to have to move back to Minnesota.

Speaking of Netflix, Hulu or the rest, I wonder if they approached them first. Netflix was quick to pick up W/ Bob and David, despite the relative failure of Mr. Show, and a Wet Hot American Summer miniseries, despite bombing and horrible reviews of the movie and it just being a cult classic, much like Mr. Show.

Compared to those two, MST3K was much more successful. I believe that the MST3K movie broke a few box office weekend records in fact, which is pretty good for just a long episode with no special production values different from the TV show that I can remember.

They got to swear in the movie.

They got to, but I believe it was just "shit" a couple of times. I wanted Servo to say "fuck you" to Gypsy, finally.

No, the movie had a completely different set

The movie had a nicer set, a more famous (and probably more expensive) movie, and swearing. It really was just a souped-up TV episode, in a good way.

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Just this week I was starting to devise a plan for a device called the Spring Sprite, based on two or three parallel Accutronics BTDR-2H spring reverb bricks (NO SPRINGS!) with modulatable cross-feeback.

Also redirecting stars to Xenocide

Gee, Crowdfundy! I sure would like to give my money to someone's idea for a video game!

I love you.

They made 1.2M in one day. They made 100K in the last 2 hours. I wouldn't worry about it.

If only there was some mechanism by which I could read witty riffs on sort youtube clips.