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Cena_mark - 2015-12-30

I wanted to celebrate Lemmy's life by showing the pinacle of his career.


EvilHomer - 2015-12-30

Actually, I heard they were considering inducting Lemmy into the WWE Hall of Fame. Odin willing, THAT will be the pinnacle of his career.


Cena_mark - 2015-12-30

He'll be up there with Pete Rose and Donald Trump.


EvilHomer - 2015-12-30

Yep, they are the Einherjar. Lemmy shall sound the guitars which summon the Gods to feast and battle.

It's really too bad that John Cena was saddled with such a cruddy entrance. If Lemmy had of written a song for John Cena as well as Triple H, imagine how much better the PG-era would have been! All the hate and resentment from smarks would have just washed away, and wrestling would have enjoyed a golden age.


EvilHomer - 2015-12-30

Motorhead was the second best band to ever appear on the WWE. That's a pretty amazing honor for both parties.


EvilHomer - 2015-12-30

Well, third if you count Fozzy.


blue vein steel - 2015-12-30

who was better? 2 members of KISS or Limp Bizkit?


EvilHomer - 2015-12-30

Killswitch, of course! Granted, I don't know if they actually appeared live at a WWE show, but they did perform CM Punk's theme, and they were by far the best "entrance music" band.


Cena_mark - 2015-12-30

Cena's entrance music was made by a far cooler musician.


EvilHomer - 2015-12-30

You mean Pete Schofield and The Canadians?


Cena_mark - 2015-12-30

John Cena himself recorded his entrance theme with his cousin Tha Trade Marc. The album went platinum.


EvilHomer - 2015-12-30

But he stole the music from Pete Schofield and The Canadians. It was a Pete Schofield and The Canadians song, which he Sonichu'd and made his own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fslRfsBs2wo


Cena_mark - 2015-12-30

It's called sampling, not stealing. Sampling is like collage work. You take pre-existing art and create something unique. It's like Warhol. Sure somebody else took that photo of Marilyn Monroe, but it was Warhol who took that photo, made a silk screen, and added those colors. Without Warhol's touch it would have been just another picture of the actress, but he made it into a iconic work of art.
You know calls it stealing? Rockists. Rockists are terrible people who hate non-rock music like pop, hip hop, and disco, because they associate such music as being music for women, gays, and racial minorities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockism


EvilHomer - 2015-12-31

I'm no rockist! I totally appreciate pop and hip hop - naturally, I appreciate it more when the artist uses original content (like Pete Schofield, for example), but Sonichu'd content? Well, that's fine too. John Cena, sure, I can still listen to him for what he is.

No, the difference with me here, it's not that I HATE pop music, it's that I LOVE pop music, it love it SO MUCH that I insist on giving credit to everyone involved. When John Cena talks over music created by Pete Schofield, a group of Canadian schoolchildren, and M.O.P., I don't think "oh, that's a John Cena song, it sucks!" I think "Wow! That's cool! It's great to hear Pete Schofield's hit single again. Bravo to M.O.P., for making such an interesting rap beat."

I think it is YOU, Cena, you who are the rockist. Your inability to face facts and admit that John Cena's theme song was actually made by Pete Schofield and the Canadians, that is a microaggression. It reveals that, deep down inside, you have not come to fully accept and fully embrace John Cena's lifestyle choice. You "judge" him, as a rockist would do, because you feel that if the truth was stated plainly, he would be somehow "lesser" for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression_theory


Cena_mark - 2015-12-31

But Pete Schofield and MOP had nothing to do with the creation of My Time is Now. MOP tried to sue the WWE over that song and demanded every copy destroyed. Schofield made a horn line that Cena used, but using it wasn't Schofield's idea. Without Cena that song would be just another forgotten tune.
Again I'll bring up Warhol. He was sued by the woman who took the picture he used for his flower paintings. She was mad that he was making lots of money off of his paintings, but she had nothing to do with getting those paintings done. Warhol just saw the photos in a book, and copied them a bunch of times, silkscreened them, and added his trademark colors. He made those flowers valuble. If not for him her photos would just be forgetten and insignificant.
Sampling is the roots of hip hop, and that's why I brought up rockism, cause you're not getting the artistic significance of it.


EvilHomer - 2015-12-31

Warhol was a hack fraud and one of the most reprehensible artists of the 20th century; I really hope you're not seriously trying to compare John Cena to Andy Warhol, because frankly, John Cena deserves a lot better than that! AT WORST, John Cena is the Thomas Kinkade of the wrestling world, and that's at absolute worst.

*I* get the artistic significance of sampling. I understand what sampling is, why it's used, and I do not feel the need to lie about it, because I accept it for what it is. (how could I not? I am a huge fan of progressive trance, trip-hop, and White Zombie, all of which make extensive use of sampling) Again, I refer you to microaggressions. Obviously, your actions indicate that you believe there's something important about "authenticity" or "originality" in music; you believe that, by admitting John Cena's theme song was made by the artists Pete Schofield and M.O.P., this would somehow diminish John Cena's small-yet-important editorial contribution to Schofield's work, would somehow invalidate the entire song.

Also, I find your barely-disguised contempt for Schofield and M.O.P. to be quite telling. Is it an accident that M.O.P. are African-American? Is it an accident that Schofield was Canadian? John Cena was an affluent white preppy from West Newbury, Mass, who appropriated culture from working-class blacks and Canadians. OK, that's fine. It is what it is. I fully accept cross-cultural exchanges. But now you're telling me that the WWE actively screwed over M.O.P. against their wishes (meaning the ABADOO sample is basically rape), and oh, it's not Mr Cushing Academy who's in the wrong here, no no no, the real bad guys are those uppity African-American rappers who actually created a third of the dang song?!


EvilHomer - 2015-12-31

Happy New Years, by the way! Galpal says hello, and good luck on your posting to NYC!


Cena_mark - 2015-12-31

Warhol is my favorite artist. Even though he lacked a lot of technical skill he found a way. He had an eye for making memorable images. Sure he was a dick, and people question if his art was even art, but he changed everything.
I'm not trying to diminish the role of people who get sampled, but they are not part of a collaborative process. I usually compose my own material from scratch, except for this one
https://soundcloud.com/rumchug/white-walls
I covered the toms and the bass line from Alice Cooper's Killer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYshm-_hH6A The part I use starts at 4:25. So here's a case where I'm directly involved. Of course my song wouldn't exist as it does without Alice Cooper, but I arranged those parts to make my work.
Cena is working class, cause he works hard. MOP was being hypocrital. They've sampled many works, but they get angry when they get sampled. It's an honor, plus you get royalties. You can't stop people from sampling your work. Do they not even consider the ramifications of what would happen if they got their way? It would inhibit the entire world of art.


Cena_mark - 2015-12-31

Happy New Year to you too. Transfer season isn't until summer. Maybe I'll catch you on my way up.


EvilHomer - 2015-12-31

Warhol had an eye for bullshitting and hanging out with pretty people who were equally adept at bullshitting. As for Cena being "working class", we've been over this before. My grandmother (American side) lived in Merrimack for many years. I've been to West Newbury, a town which is statistically wealthier than Greenwich, CT; the closest those people ever get to the "working class" are the gardeners and maids they ship up from Boston.

Also, a cover is different from a sample; a cover is a sample built from scratch, which I think everyone - even the most rockist of critics - would agree is "more authentic" than simply taking a tape recording, talking over it, and calling it your own. For example, nobody faults Motorhead for doing this:

https://youtu.be/hF9Gr5waAJg

or this:

https://youtu.be/xkWBPbdb6l8

because Lemmy and pals never misrepresented their artistic input vis a vis the composition, and because the songs were performed by them, rather than simply being lip-synched. By contrast, the following song was essentially a cover, too:

https://youtu.be/RdSmokR0Enk

and I think people would have been fine with them, had they been completely up front about what they were doing. The backlash had nothing to do with their race (IIRC, they were ethnically half-German, which arguably makes them whiter than many of us), but rather, against the bogus manner in which they presented their art.


Cena_mark - 2015-12-31

Covering for as opposed to using a direct sample is a good way of covering your ass. After the case with Biz Markie it was established that using a direct sample would mean paying out full royalties to the copywrite holders. When you cover the song, then you only have to pay a significantly lesser price. The Beatles are too damn expensive to sample. Public Enemy used a Beatles song as part of an "Illegal art" project, to make a statement about copyright.
Still I believe artists should be able to sample without the legal fallout. As long as the sample doesn't somehow displace the original song. If you really wanted to listen to Pete Schofield's song, Cena's theme wouldn't fill that hole. Cena's theme takes like 10 seconds of the song and has a completely different feel.


memedumpster - 2015-12-30

I can't even imagine how powerful Lemmy is right now. His death is some kind of superposition between agarthi and apotheosis that transcends teleology and causality.

We may all be inhaling fire soon, and we may have now been doing so all along.

IO Lemmy.


EvilHomer - 2015-12-30

So who's your favorite wrestler?


memedumpster - 2015-12-30

Pre-treason Sergeant Slaughter, because he was also in G.I. Joe.


infinite zest - 2015-12-31

My favorite's Big Ugly! I love him and the NWA!


infinite zest - 2015-12-31

Also a little off topic but check this out it out, in case you're wondering what big ugly's up to. NWA (PNW who knows) still practices near my house but hoodslam's where it's at!!!

http://www.birdswillfall.com/


infinite zest - 2015-12-31

Here is better link! It's so much fun

https://youtu.be/uHMJhYSle9Q


infinite zest - 2015-12-31

I'm still trying to come to terms with this. Lemmy, like Oderus was not really a person I'd ever meet, just some sort of rock god. Now they're both gone and I'm really fucking sad.


infinite zest - 2015-12-31

And for the record I never liked HHH but damn if this wasn't sort of introduction to how awesome Motorhead is when I was a kid, or I guess was now.. :(


EvilHomer - 2015-12-31

I was introduced to Motorhead via Metallica, but I imagine many people in the early-thirties-or-younger set first got exposed to Motorhead via Triple H! I never outright marked for Triple H or DX, but I have loads of respect for him, particularly given how cool he was to Lemmy and the Motorhead crew.


oddeye - 2015-12-31

mot to piss on a dead man's parade or anything but this was a pretty dire performance. Also Motorhead are like a two song horse from 30 years ago.


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