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Killer Joe - 2015-12-31

The couple spine-crackers I've been to were all pretty good (I guess), but a pretty beefy percentage of them were militant anti-vaxers. Is that a thing having to do with their education or something?


Konversekid - 2015-12-31

Chiropractors aren't often considered part of mainstream Western medicine, and so they undoubtedly are strong advocates of alternative medicine and this sometimes comes with a strong skepticism of the mainstream.


StanleyPain - 2015-12-31

It probably has a lot to do with the fact that to believe in chiropractic in the first place basically requires that you believe in bullshit pseudoscience garbage that has no actual root in evidence based medicine.

(and also hurts/kills a lot more people than they would like you to know)


baleen - 2015-12-31

Chiropractory should be treated as a form of physical therapy and pain relief and nothing more. There are those who practice it who see it that way. They aren't all kooks. At that level, it's just another thing that makes people feel good, however fleeting that pleasure may be.
So who cares.


Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2015-12-31

Some chiropractors may unwittiingly be ok untrained therapists. (btw you dont need any qualifictions to declare youself to be a chiropractor)
However the entire endeavour is total BS, the guy who started it was a total crankcase, he believed everything (including cancer) could be cured by spinal manipulation. A surprising amount of people *die* every year as a result of chiropracty. They probably kill more people than terrorists.

Just read about the founder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_controversy_and_cri ticism

Or any random article *endorsing* chiropracty
Eg. this hogwash
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/02/04/ truth-chiropractic.aspx


baleen - 2015-12-31

This is why, according to insurance companies, chiropractors are treated as pain relief therapists and nothing more. There are oversights for chiropractors, just as there are for massage therapists, and basic health and technique guidelines.

Maybe a couple dozen people have died in the chiropractor's office. The terrorist comparison you made really is unnecessary. Know what kills millions of people a year? Hospital infections. That doesn't mean that hospitals are worthless, even though hospitals, for most of their sordid histories, were run by nutjobs who knew nothing about healthcare and killed far more people than they saved.

I do think chiropractics are a scam, but as I said, they make people feel good, and as far as scams go, are pretty harmless. They are certainly not as bad as anti-vaxxing or whatever.


infinite zest - 2015-12-31

A friend of mine emptied his bowels the way you apparently do when you die at a chiropractor when he went; guy was like "oh that happens" but I don't know that shouldn't happen! It's like getting a teeth cleaning and my teeth falls out.

I personally like my Hitachi Magic wand (it's not just for orgasms you know) and my raquet ball which I rub up and down on, both of which are much cheaper than seeing a pro, and probably safer. But then again I've never thought about extracting my own tooth if I have a toothache, so it depends on what's wrong.


TeenerTot - 2015-12-31

I self-crack often. I tend to get pretty bad headaches if I don't. But I must admit there's something willy-inducing about watching someone crack someone else.


baleen - 2015-12-31

I am a self-crack master.
I recently figured out how to apply release technique on my own spine. That's where you pull the spine vertically as opposed to twisting it or pushing it to pop it. I actually feel like it helps a lot, the effects last the whole day.


infinite zest - 2015-12-31

My girlfriend's got Fibro so I hear these sounds a lot. She says her's isn't that bad compared to others' cases (like we can go on walks and hikes and stuff and things) but it sounds like a firecracker went off in the distance sometimes. Oh well. Weed and sex seem to make her fibro better, something that I'm ok with.


Binro the Heretic - 2015-12-31

My joints have snapped like Rice Krispies ever since I was a kid, particularly if I sit still for long periods. It happens because tiny gas bubbles in the joint tissues gather up into larger bubbles and when the joint flexes, the big bubbles get pulverized back into tiny bubbles and dispersed throughout the tissues again.

I've always figured chiropractors use techniques that gather the tiny bubbles into big ones then pop them with a sudden motion. This probably has zero effect, but makes the patient think something has been done. The chiropractor's massage-like techniques are certainly what relieves pain & tension, but I guess some people are more comfortable going to a chiropractor than a massage parlor, perhaps because it seems more "medical"?

Fun joint-popping story: When I was in middle school, there was a kid in my class who thought it was funny to pretend to be a pro wrestler. He would grab people unawares all while talking like an announce. "OH! And Jason has him in a headlock! Can he get out of this one, folks?" It was somewhat annoying, but harmless. He never grabbed anyone hard. They would either join in the game or shrug him off and tell him to go away.

One day, as I was getting something from my locker, he slipped up behind me. My arms were raised up enough for him to quickly hook his arms under my pits. He raised his hand up and locked his fingers behind my head before I knew what was going on. He simultaneously pulled back and bent my head forward. When he did, every single joint in my spine from my neck to down just below my shoulder blades popped. The poor kid immediately released his grip and jumped back like he'd been electrocuted.

"Oh my God!" He said "Are you okay? Oh my God! Did I hurt your neck?" It took me a while to calm him down. I told him it happened all the time. I had to show him how I could make all my knuckles crack just by flexing my hand and even make my ankles & toe joints pop by twirling my foot.


baleen - 2016-01-01

Not just the massage techniques. The pain relief from popping joints comes from the hyperextension of neglected or strained muscles. The muscles get stretched and this sends out that "ahhh!" feeling you get.

The popping sound from most joints isn't from the pulverizing of air bubbles, but the snapping of synovial fluid in the joints. It is viscous enough that a sudden movement snaps it, like a whip snapping in the air, in a process called cavitation. The fluid fills the empty space of a joint, and as you say, blends with the air, causing the fluid to expand and fill the cavity. This is why after you pop, you can't crack again, there's no cavity until the air disperses from the synovial fluid.

Other joints work differently. Knee and elbow popping in particular aren't from cavitation necessarily but from the lining of joints and uneven cartilage rubbing against itself. There is evidence that knee pops and elbow pops naturally occurring regularly might be a signal of future problems associated with aging, like arthritis. I'm pretty screwed, probably.


Binro the Heretic - 2016-01-02

I'd always heard it was gas bubbles. It's cool to know it can come from other causes.

And arthritis runs in my family from both my mom's & dad's side, so I've been resigned to having to deal with that as I age for a while now.


boner - 2015-12-31

My neck / my back / pseudoscientific crap


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