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Honestly, I don't know if I can answer that. I thought it'd be easy to refute, but every form of music I come up with is either tied to a specific ethnic community, or has some prominent artists with a distinct ethnic identity.

Maybe some forms of ultra-modern electronic music? Not industrial, obviously, but... vocal trance?

polka is czech, not german

i've yet to hear a polka about white power on the big joe polka show

Hip hop isn't racist. In fact, I use it as a test for racism. If someone doesn't like hip hop it's likely that they're racist. Name a racist who likes hip hop. You think any of the GOP nominees like hip hop? You think W likes hip hop? Of course not, he didn't care about black people.

Ah yes, but you see Cena, that in itself is a racist attitude, and it permeates the hip hop community. Racism is the belief that ethnicity and culture accounts for differences in human character or ability; that one group is inherently worse than another. "Racism" is a character flaw; people who don't like hip hop do so because they are flawed, their tribe is inherently worse than the tribe made up of hip hop fans.


>> Name a racist who likes hip hop.
Martin Shkreli, Professor Griff, every member of the X-Clan, and this guy:

https://youtu.be/uT-hBZXTwEI?t=1m16s

German nationalist rapper who's got a massive NeoNazi following.

Also, everyone behind pushing the concept of "gangsta rap" and the "black youth = criminal thugs" meme, including record executives, media personalities, and all those rappers who collaborated in selling their communities out.

You listen to Public Enemy, Cena. You should know this already!

Gangsta rap was not a conspiracy, it was just art imitating life. It began as some rather important social commentary, until it became self parody.
When I said racists, I meant the TRUE racists, WHITE racists. Yes Professor Griff was anti-semetic, but the blame for his racist ideology lies with the Nation of Islam not hip hop. Shkrelli isn't racist, you see how many black friends he has from that last video?
Racist white suprecist "hip hop" isn't real hip hop, it's actually metal.

"Art imitating life"? WHOSE life?! I know plenty of black people, and not one of them is a crack dealing, granny-punching ruffian. If you think that's "life", well hey - that's exactly the message They want you to believe!!! (a horribly racist message, I might add) Think about it: early hip hop bands were all about revolution. They were about community, self-sufficiency, and pride. Yeah, Public Enemy hated the cops, but they hated cops because cops represented an oppressive state order which existed to keep the people in check. They didn't hate the cops because cops were getting in the way of their drug-slinging, because they wanted to rob their neighbors and idolize the Rockefellers - they were, to quote Chuck D, "taking advantage of the naivety of people."

If anything, real hip hop was actually a form of metal. Racist black submissisists, like Kanye, Lil Wayne, and Jay-Z, are the true problem here.

Apparently, Marco Rubio loves NWA. Really.

It was reality for those in gangs and living in gang affected areas. Eazy-E was a Crip, Snoop Dogg was a blood, everyone living in South Central LA was affected by the affects of gangs and drugs.

Yeah, you can thank the CIA for that, and Eazy and Snoop for exacerbating the conflict. They were war-profiteers, at best.

Paul Ryan's favorite band is Rage Against the Machine.

I'm not sure if he knows which machine he's supposed to rage against.

Music history fact check time: Snoop was a Crip.

I think my favorite are the homophobic punks. Like, do they know where that term comes from? It's the guy who got fucked in the shower in prison.

Double music history fact check; snoop and Eazy might have come from rough neighborhoods but we're by all accounts mischievous scoundrels at the worst. Indications are Ice Cube, now the most family friendly and well adjusted of the lot, was probably into the most serious dirt.

This guy is right on the money. Pantera is a great band but Phil looks like quite the dipshit here. Whether he's trying to be edgy or he's just a retard, this kind of stunt is the sort of thing that remind everyone metal fans are a bunch of clowns nobody takes seriously. This has nothing to do with being PC or Social Justice, it is merely stupid.

Just a friendly reminder from your local PC Policeman guy, calling somebody retarded in this context isn't that different in historical context. Remember that before the Nazis came for the jews they came for the developmentally and intellectually disabled, and here in the states while blacks may have been emancipated many who are labeled as retarded were put into conditions much worse than any prison for years up until the 1990s, regardless of color but because of their mental condition. Anyway, hi.

The only way you could have made that comment more retarded is by claiming the Irish suffered worst of all.

Didn't Mr. Rogers have a white power element to all his music? The king of the land of make believe was white, and remained white until the end of the show.

I think you see where I'm going with this.

meow

He needs a Pony Intervention. ::nods::

My ex-roomie referred to the genre they belonged to as "fat guy hardcore." Fear Factory fits the description, too.

yeah, I tried to back up that statement by listening to their music and, well, it's not my kind of metal.

I'm not really into the genre and I'm not sure the following bands count as metal, but here's what I dig:

Skunk Anansie, Death, Slayer, some Dimmu Borgir, White Zombie, and that's about all the metal I've ever honestly liked unless some digital hardcore bands count like Atari Teenage Riot or Bomb 20.

Oh and Motorhead. I dig Motorhead. And Body Count.

Heh an Atari Teenage Riot CD Delete Yourself was one of the first CDs I ever bought. I just liked the name, had no idea what they sounded like.

Body Count is hilarious. I heard them years after the big old scandal that they caused and they sound like an African-American version of Black Sabbath trying to lead a pep rally. How anyone took any part of their shtick seriously is beyond me.

Your description of body count is condescending and hurtful. Also totally 100% accurate. They did put on a mighty fine circle pit.

I really liked Body Count's first album. The rest, not so much. They were best as a protest punk-metal band.

Also, if Ministry counts as metal (not really to me) I dig the fuck out of Twitch and everything up to about half of Psalm 69.

Pantera ain't shit. It was 'metal for trailer trash'.

There, I said it.

I mean if you wanted to be a dick you could argue that was the case for most metal. But those guys even in their prime looked like Jimbo in his double wide.

Jeriko raises a good (if hateful and offensively-worded!) point. Pantera was always a band that welcomed working-class white people.† Pantera made no apologies for that, and most of my light-skinned, socioeconomically-disenfranchised friends love them for it.

Practically any identity group you can think of has representation within the metal community. You've got metal bands that appeal to middle class Euro-dorks (Stratovarius), elitist snobs (Dream Theatre), truthers (Megadeth), women (Nightwish), assholes (Anal Cunt), deranged loners (Emperor), blerds (Tony MacAlpine), virgins (Blind Guardian), South Americans (Sepultura), British people (Iron Maiden), clinically-depressed art school students (Opeth), Jews (Orphaned Land), Japanese girls/ weeaboo 'forks (Babymetal), even SJWs (I guess Machine Head from now on?). Very few bands openly and unironically embrace the "redneck" community (it's OK, I can use that term because I have redneck friends); of them, Pantera is without a doubt the most notable.

And there's nothing wrong with that.


†("always" meaning since their fifth studio album, of course)

Spirit stars *****

I dunno, Homer, I think you're missing the forest for the trees here. Are there a lot of bands that openly embrace the "redneck" label like Pantera did? Well, maybe not! But those other "niche" bands are "niche" bands because they're swimming in a sea of bands that cater to lower-middle and working class white tastes. As far as I can tell, poor and white is just about the standard metal fan. It doesn't have to be made explicit because, like the air around you, it's always there. Lots of old American-made pickups have Metallica stickers peeling off the back, I'd bet.

Loved your metal fan analysis, though.

Yeah the only one I'd disagree with on there is Maiden, because come on, man! Universal! Like Motorhead and Priest!

Miss Henson, we're talking about metal here. I don't know why you'd bring up Metallica...!

You raise a very valid point, but it's important to remember that there is a difference between being poor and white, and being "poor and white". The stereotypical "white trash redneck" (i.e. working class people who have zero interest in sophisticated urban-bourgeois culture) really does exist, but he's a lot rarer than people assume. Furthermore, while rednecks might enjoy many different *kinds* of metal (because come on, who doesn't like Maiden?!) that doesn't mean all of the bands they listen to cater to them, or even understand them. Maybe Slayer or Anthrax, BLS or very early Metallica I guess? It's hard to find bands willing to reach out to the sort of people who'd otherwise be listening to country and Southern Rock, and nobody embraced the redneck community like Pantera did.

Basically, if Phil had been less of an asshole and a bit more mercenary in his marketing, he could have easily become another Violent J, commanding his own army of confederate-face-painted Panterallos.

How the mighty have fallen...

Jimmy - yeah, honestly I just wanted an excuse to shove Maiden in there...!

I have nothing to add to this conversation. I think the first time I heard Pantera was at a bar the night Dimebag Dan died.. I was like "who?" and the bartender kicked me out of the bar. Five big stars for Homie's excellent compartmentalization, although I'd say that Synergy might be a better example for Women than Nightwish. I like Nightwish but Synergy were always more straight-up metal, less operatic and such. :)

(oops SINergy not Synergy. Thanks autocorrect) :)

Oh man, IZ. I've only known one person 'round here who made THAT mistake. You're lucky the guy only kicked you out of a bar.

Never met a woman who was into Sinergy, funnily enough. My theory is that fangirls had a tendency to get jealous over Kim stealing their husbando.

Heh yeah it's not like I meant any disrespect; somehow I grew up until that very moment never knowing his name or consciously listening to any Pantera. In fact, I wrote "Dan" above, not "Darrell." That's how little I know about the band.. I did know a Dimebag Dan around that time that I bought weed from, but I digress..

BUT, flash forward 10 years or so. The night of Lemmy's passing, I was at my favorite bar, the bartender and half the clientele are wearing Motorhead shirts, and Motorhead's blasting in the background. There's probably a lot of younger people there who know "Ace of Spades" and nothing more, but still, it was pretty fucking obvious. Anyway some guy put some credits in the jukebox for I-dunno-what, Mumford and Sons maybe? People were visibly annoyed but he wasn't kicked out or anything..

Come to think of it I don't know ANYONE who liked Sinergy except for me, but I had exactly one melodic black metal friend. A couple of my friends from Bulgaria love Nightwish who are both girls though, and I'd say overall the Nightwish Lady is hotter than Kim, although it's hard for me to keep track of who the Nightwish Lady is.

Sinergy was OK; each of my friends had at least one their albums, but that was almost entirely based on their connection to CoB - who at the time my friends considered to be a God Tier, Top Five of Anything band. I would not by any stretch of the imagination call Kim "hot"; Finno-Korean metalhead girl sounds like it'd be perfect, but she had a weird bulldog face and was much too fat for my tastes. Not that there's anything wrong with that! Great musician, cool personality, just not "hot". The Timo Tolkki of female frontpersons, if you will.

Sadly, you really need to veer off far down the road towards emo, goth, and metalcore before the sausagefest thins out, and while there are a ton of immensely talented females within (for example) the symphonic metal genre, most of these ladies are ALL talent, no tna. So, discounting carpetbagging false-metal hotties like Amy Lee and Karin Axelsson. I'd say the hottest female metal personalities were: The Great Kat, Cristina Scabbia, Tarja, Angela Gossow, Liv Kristine when she's got a lot of makeup on, and what the hell, SuMetal now that she's 18.

also, suprised thats not a tag?