You may place your extraordinary evidence for this in the inbox at yon leisure.

Also, I'm holding my fucking breath today.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have a spiel or a theory about who the least-evil GOP candidate is??

Me!

Well, it was me until I put a ! after it, now it's lame.

Donald Trump
He's only motivated by fame and money, while respecting same in no one else. The rest of them have a political or social ideology, the two worst kinds of ideologies a human can have, and will suck any dick necessary to make sure that ideology thrives. Trump is running because people love him when he knows what to say to make them love him, everyone else wants to convert the global nonwhites into murder money to be hoarded by less than 2000 people globally. Trump is a narcissist, everyone else are death cultists. Of all the candidates, including Hillary and Bernie, Trump is the one who wont be able to pass as an alien invader to sneak into the mothership. He's so human it's embarrassing to the rest of us.

As I said in the other thread:

I pretty much agree with memedumpster here. Trump is definitely the least bad option, IMO.

Yes, he'd do a terrible job as President & try to implement policies that I strongly disagree with. But I think he'd do less of all that than the other GOP candidates would. What's more, at least with Trump I'd be thoroughly entertained as he's fucking things up.

Keeping me entertained is always a plus.

A lot of the Republican establishment is also horrified by the ideological bent of the teabaggers. Some have also said a Trump presidency would be the least catastrophically damaging for everyone due to Trump's lack of any kind of transcendental agenda.

I thought you supported Hillary?

There's a chance I'm making a point in a roundabout way.

Whenever there's a candidate that receives majority support only from white males, I consider that a red flag. It could be that the candidate is still the best candidate, but if women and minorities (and all combinations thereof) seem to agree he's not, maybe they're seeing something that I should be aware of. It's probably not that their melanin and vaginas make them stupid.

So... you're being sarcastic? Because the original constitution limited the vote to educated, landowning white males, i.e. Bernie supporters. If "the Founding Fathers had the right idea" (regarding suffrage), then Bernie would be the Democrat's candidate of choice, not Hillary.

Congrats, by the way! I heard Hillary kicked Bernie's ass yesterday. She's well on her way to the championship belt, and you have every right to be proud. (Trump is still going to win at Wrestlemania, though)

I was wrestling with whether the term "sarcasm" applies, but eventually decided it doesn't, because I'm not responding to anyone in particular. But yeah, you correctly intuit my point about the Founding Fathers. Society has gotten much better since then about seeing to the interests of people who don't happen to be educated white males, but that tension still exists.

If there's anyone I had in mind when I made my comment, it was a Bernie supporter on Salon who was crying in his beer about how "this country was founded on being fair and equal, how did we sink so low?" Well, we gave the vote to blacks and women and other people the Founding Fathers weren't so fair and equal with, and wouldn't you know it, they got opinions.

As I've mentioned a hundred times I have my own problems with Bernie and I don't need anyone to persuade me he's a poor candidate. But suppose it had been a politician I really like, maybe Barney Frank. Suppose -- and this is incredibly hypothetical -- it turned out that minorities and women had a real problem with him, even though for my purposes he were a perfect candidate. At a certain point, I'd have to choose between my white male interests and supporting people who didn't win the demographic lottery like I did. Ultimately I'd have to vote against Barney Frank; to do otherwise would mean remaining part of the problem. Solidarity comes with obligations.

Your commitment to the the self of group is most admirable, Chairman Bort. I am sure you will be among the last of the drones to get nerve stapled.

The exceptionally wealthy candidates won, what a big surprise!

I'll still vote Clinton but I've known Trump was going to be president since he announced his campaign.

SIGH.

Be fair, Zirc. Trump has spent 1/10th of the money his opponents have, wealth is not what is propelling this guy to the whitehouse.

What we got on our hands here is something quite novel. He's the 21st century's answer to Ronald Reagan (or perhaps Huey Long) . I suppose we'll all be working those Kubler-Ross steps soon enough. That said, he's arguable more left wing than his challenger, so it could be worse.

I agree to a point, but the IMAGE of wealth ("success") is still absolutely central to his campaign.

"but that tension still exists."


And the Clinton campaign exploited the fuck out of it.

And the Sanders campaign exploited the fuck out of the greed and self-centeredness of white progressive audiences. You know how people have been saying for years that demographic shifts are going to change elections? Well we're already seeing that; it led Obama to victory in 2012 (if not 2008) and it's bringing Hillary her primary victories.

Bernie would do more for black people and Republican voters than Hillary or Trump ever will.

The solution to being cool enough to not vote for your own selfish comfort over everyone's existence (and I am kind of grossed that you begin your political thought process from there) is not to join everyone else in voting against everyone's existence.

You're not happy because the best person who would help people is winning (because they are not), you're happy the people who make you feel bad are losing. Hillary will do nothing for you, minorities, or anyone else not a billionaire or a General, but that has never once mattered. You just want that guy on Salon to cry in a beer.

I would wish you'd just change parties, but I realize I have been watching the GOP establishment creep left this whole cycle thanks to Trump's cartoonish hyperbole and I suddenly feel the need to protect them from your toxic political cynicism.

I always mark on calendars the days I see I am not the most cynical person on earth, but I stopped because this election is making me look almost utopian. I realize I want a stronger America than Hillary can deliver, and that my disgust of the Empire is being supplanted by my disdain for the Empire's gross incompetence in basically everything a politician touches. Bernie would boost the MIC by billions (war would still increase, which is what 99% of Hillborg demand, foreigner death = money), level out society's poverty pit, and curb the rich (who are shit at capitalism my god and wont leave because Europe or Asia would tear them apart). Bernie is better for everything American. Bernie would make Bort's life better too, even though Bort doesn't deserve it and would sooner have us all in perpetual war and oligarchic rule than vote for a better country.

This is what it's like to be a responsible voter. It's you and a few million other people against the loudest, dumbest, shit flinging animal cacophony in history, because without you those fucking monsters would all be dead in their own ignorance and their last neural impulse will be used to point a shaking finger at each other.

Personally, I'm ready to replace the executive branch with a politburo.

:)

"And the Sanders campaign exploited the fuck out of the greed and self-centeredness of white progressive audiences."

Do you have any specific examples?

Bernie's entire appeal is about promising all the things white liberals have been wanting for ages -- despite having no ability whatsoever to deliver -- but Bernie's vision for a better America didn't even address racial issues until he realized excluding minorities was bad for his image.

There's nothing wrong with wanting single payer, or publicly-subsidized tuition, or a minimum wage. But ain't it a coincidence that those are all the things Bernie's target audience might benefit from, while issues that don't affect them directly were at best an afterthought.

Remember, you're the one who accused Hillary of exploiting the tension between white males and everyone else, primarily by listening to blacks for years. You operate off odd standards, but whatever.

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;-)

Hooray, Bernie did a symbolic inconsequential thing decades ago. Imagine if he'd used his position as a Senator to try to help his black constituents.