The right wing punditry has been criticizing Clinton for "preparing too much."

I think that's my favorite shot in the dark the right has ever taken. "Overprepared."

That's such an amazing concept for a presidential candidate.

A mediocre reflection of the true and pure craziness of the original.

Yeah, when I read that it blew my mind.

This really didn't need the silly editing. He was absolutely ridiculous enough unedited.

We love you, RSR! The next time we do this we'll see if we can get Bobcat Goldthwait to take on Ted Nugent.

It is our destiny to find a way for both Arnold Schwarzenegger and a killer robot AI to run for president.

I wish I could remember who it was that after Obama's first convention acceptance speech in 2008 proclaimed on poe-news that "I would gladly suck his cock." Think globally, act locally, right?

I think my finest moment in that campaign came in 2009 when Aretha Franklin sang the star spangled banner at the inauguration and I posted: " AT last, he fat lady is singing! The Bush years are finally over!"

Universal healthcare has been Clinton's white whale for 20 years now. She's absolutely going to push for it if she becomes president. But she's not going to bring it up much on the campaign trail because Obamacare is still a controversial program and it would open her up to too many lines of attack.

You're criticizing Clinton for being a smug asshole? She's *supposed* to be smug when facing off against Cheeto Jesus. He's a buffoon.

You want universal health care? Vote in a Congress capable of passing it.

Just because Bernie and Jill make promises they can't possibly keep doesn't mean adults should.

One Bort forward two Borts back.
Nobody gets too far like that.

Ah, yes. All is right with the world. Bort is still terrible. Voting in that Congress would actually mean the DNC would have to give a shit about down ticket races in Mississippi, which they don't. Republicans pretty much run unopposed here since the 07-08 gerrymandering. The Democrats have done zero to address that and have spent zero money in the state.

I also sigh loudly every time a Clinton supporter like Bort thinks insults and shaming are somehow going to make a third party voter vote Democrat. How about you bridge the gap and address some of the issues we feel are important instead of belittling us? Maybe see where that gets you.

Also, I would love it if Clinton pushed universal health care through in some form. I would personally feel bad for not voting for her.

As for the issues that interest you, that was covered a long time ago: Hillary and the Democrats are willing to go in roughly the same direction as you want (albeit slower than you demand (because apparently you have no fucking idea what Congress is there for)), while Trump and the Republicans are trying to reverse every gain of the past 100 years. If that argument isn't enough for you, nothing will be, so I will call you fucking retarded as my consolation prize.

This just makes me think you're mentally incapable of a decent conversation. It's easier for you to belittle someone like me than it is to admit we have a point about Clinton being too far right. Ultimately, you likely stand to benefit from business as usual but a lot, and I mean A LOT, of us out here are drowning in this economy and want to see some positive change. We need to see it. Running as the lesser of two evils doesn't really seem like a sustainable election strategy over the long haul and it's resulting in diminishing returns and frustration with our electoral process in greater numbers every election cycle. Fear, ultimately, is not a motivator that lasts long term. If you guys would talk to us, really talk, without belittling or name calling (which is the fastest way to make us walk away), you would probably get somewhere. However, I don't see many Clinton supporters, especially ones as rabid as yourself, that are willing to take that step. ANd I think its because you enjoy a certain level of economic privilege in the status quo and therefore it's easier to just dismiss us rather than the face the fear of your own sinking into the lower classes with the rest of us. And until that changes, I don't see this conversation going anywhere.

I'm real sorry for how I've behaved, kingarthur, you sure do think a lot of good thoughts. And how you back the likes of Bernie and Jill, that's some good thinking too. Really, you and yours are so smart and principled and you want all the most bestest things. Anyone who can't see that you're smart and decent and you have the best ideas must be rich or evil or just plain malicious and stupid.

Am I off to a good start kingarthur? Am I making the noises that you demand to hear so you'll stop being such a mong? It's not like we haven't gone over this over and over before, how the Democrats get you the best health care their numbers will allow:

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=151194

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=150003

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=88514

Beyond a certain point, I have to conclude you're either closed-minded or stupid. Oops, I mean really really SMART AND PRINCIPLED!!!

Troll harder.

So come on, which is it?

Is determinism based on quantum mechanics alone or is there an emergent determinism from a crystallization of matter into a conscious composite not bound entirely by basic chemistry?

there hasn't been a Hillary video where Bort hasn't mentioned Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein for no reason at all

Yeah, enough with the blatant trolling of linking previous detailed and related discussions, Bort.

Guy is fucking Andy Kaufman here!

As soon as anyone can find a flaw in the "you need to elect a Congress willing to pass health care reform" argument, Andy Kaufman and I will stop fucking long enough for me to publicly recant. Until that happens, I shall believe that our legislative body has something to do with our nation's legislation, and until such time as Democrats control both chambers, there's not much chance of major Democratic legislation happening.

Remember when Jill Stein said wi-fi was poisoning children?

"I wanna suck hill dawgs tits cuz they look good and suckable and i want to suck dem on account of how suckable they is" -Bort

There is no flaw with ""you need to elect a Congress willing to pass health care reform" if you want healthcare reform from Congress.

Nor is there with "our legislative body has something to do with our nation's legislation."

There is also no flaw with "until such time as Democrats control both chambers, there's not much chance of major Democratic legislation happening."

Now, I know how to assemble a consistent deduction, and I am super curious about what you think can come out of these three true statements that is also true.

There isn't a community college humanities teacher that wouldn't fail me instantly if I said "Health care reform is Democratic legislation" or "you have to elect Democrats to pass healthcare reform" as a deductive conclusion to those statements.

Well there is also the historically demonstrable reality that health care reform tracks with Democrats having the power to effect it. Medicare ... ? Sixty-eight Democrats in the Senate. Hillarycare ... ? While not successful, it sure had everything to do with Democrats and especially Hillary. S-CHIP ... ? The Democrats and especially Hillary again. The ACA ... ? Democrats, and as I have argued over and over and over (see links), the only reason there wasn't a public option was for want of one more Democratic Senator.

Now none of that binds Democrats to improved health care in any absolute sense; and yet isn't it funny how the Democrats keep going there when they have the numbers to, and Hillary more than anyone. If Hillary isn't talking about universal health care, it's not because she has lost interest, it's because it's not something she sees any opportunities to act on just now.

I know your deal is cynicism and much of it is well-placed, but when it comes to the Democrats and health care, no.

Speaking as a foreigner:

I wish you guys luck in reforming your political system so that it can't be held hostage by radical regressionists in the future.

Please don't contribute to blowing up the world.

I have a lot of American friends and now literal American family, and my feelings for you are rooted in concern, not contempt.

>> It's easier for you to belittle someone like me than it is to admit we have a point about Clinton being too far right.

If you didn't have cancer, it would be a lot easier.

Okay, I hope you laughed at that. Anyway, my belief is that Clinton will go as far left as she can. People like Trump because he's a politician, and they hate Clinton because she is a politician, but being President is mostly politics. Politics is all about compromise and consensus, and while that is often portrayed as insincerity, it's an inability to compromise that is strangling our political process. I see Bernie Sanders, for example, as someone who has a long career of making principled stands, most of which I happen to agree with. I don't think that's going to make him a good president.

It might make him a good cabinet member. I'd love to see that happen, and I'm kind of pissed at Bernie for leaving the Democratic party, making an alliance unlikely. See, a real politician wouldn't do that.

>>>Wow. I lasted about 25 minutes into the real thing just before it devolved into an online Twitter argument just on live tv. My takeaway was that Clinton is a smug asshole with shitty neoliberal policy she wants to enact but man, Trump is a dumpster fire.

I won't accuse you of sexism, (although that's basically accusing you of being from this planet), I don't really know you. I'm just going to talk about myself. To me, it seems pretty clear that the kind of political posturing required for a presidential campaign would be a lot more attractive on a man. If she seems stiff and artificial, consider that some people are still pissed off at Hillary for something she said in 1993 that seemed vaugely derisive of baking cookies, and therefore was taken as a slur against every conservative's sainted mother. When she was First lady, the investigation of her finances continued well into the W Bush years. I believe that her comments about "superpredators" were not only taken out of context, a revisionist context was applied. She's had to jump through twice as many hoops as any male politician, and most of the hoops were used against her

Wait. What were we talking about?


>>I don't think Trump has a chance in hell of winning though. He's going to win among dying white conservatives, but that's not enough to carry the election.


Remember when he didn't have a chance in hell of getting the nomination?

>>People like Trump because he's a politician,

Should have read

>>People like Trump because he's not a politician,

It's funny and depressing going back and reading the "Hillary didn't EARN my vote!" attitudes that allowed Trump to win.

Amazing how the simple point that "congress matters" is met with ridiculous accusations of blind Hillary worship. Goddamn Bernie Busters and their projection.