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Desc:Part of the National Day of Action to stop the Dakota Access Pipeline, 11-15-16
Category:News & Politics
Tags:donald trump, bernie sanders, Dakota Access Pipeline, NoDAPL
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Date:11/21/16
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Lord_Crocodilicus - 2016-11-21

So are those protesters paid or not?
My aunt lives in ND and works for the National Park Service and she swears up and down that she's seen protesters bussing in from all over the place.

Also, it seems like they've been having water problems at the Fort Yates Intake for years. At least 12 years in fact, according to this:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-108shrg97093/html/CHRG-108s hrg97093.htm

This references problem with the drinking water far beyond tainting, the Missouri River dries up at the Standing Rock water source. Just do a ctrl+f on "Fort Yates" and you'll see what I mean.

"I was told when I was there 2 weeks ago, I
believe by you, Chairman Murphy, that there is a spot north of
Fort Yates where you can walk across the Missouri River and not
get your hips wet."

I've also found this, which claims the Standing Rock Reservation will be receiving its water from Mobridge, SD soon because of this.

https://www.sayanythingblog.com/entry/standing-rock-water-inta ke-process-moved-away-dakota-access-pipelines/

Not the most credible source though.
So IF this is true, the pipeline will be 70 miles North of and 90 ft beneath the reservation's water source.


William Burns - 2016-11-21

The cops and contractors are being paid to be there and NOT getting shot in the head or sprayed with icy water.


Lord_Crocodilicus - 2016-11-21

That doesn't mean anything to me.


Lord_Crocodilicus - 2016-11-21

I don't mean to be inflammatory or sound apathetic there, but I quite literally mean I don't know what you're trying to say. Does getting shot with rubber bullets and hit with water cannons justify something?


William Burns - 2016-11-21

I was just saying that the advocates for the pipeline are definitely being paid. Why would it matter if the protesters are being compensated by someone? They are exercising civil disobedience and being shot for it. Over a pipeline that was rushed into construction illegally for the profit of a private transportation concern.


Lord_Crocodilicus - 2016-11-22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPBM2IFT-AU

Here's some of your civil disobedience. Check out 14s in! Hitting a dog that isn't even paying attention to him.
This shit is why it matters if someone is paying them. You really think they're all just out there chaining themselves to tractors? Can you imagine the type of person it takes to accept a job doing something like this?
It makes a huge amount of difference whether somebody is doing something for the environment or for a paycheck. Whether they care, or whether an individual or group with an agenda cares; and, if that is true...why are they paying people to protest on their behalf?


bawbag - 2016-11-22

The protestors aren't being paid no, they're coming in as per their agreements with their native cousins in ND.

There's also a huge upswell of protest from people unrelated to ND who feel very strongly that forcing a pipeline through land that by treaty is not the property of government is unjust.


Lord_Crocodilicus - 2016-11-23

If they aren't being paid, more power to them. I don't have any evidence they are just hearsay. Also, it actually doesn't cross into reservation territory, it stays about a half mile north of the border. This says it was originally supposed to be even further north, but wasn't in part because it posed a threat to Bismarck's water supply.
http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/pipeline-ro ute-plan-first-called-for-crossing-north-of-bismarck/article_64d05 3e4-8a1a-5198-a1dd-498d386c933c.html

But if the thing about Fort Yates drying up is true, then it doesn't really matter because that will no longer be their water source.


Void 71 - 2016-11-22

I'd classify myself as a radical environmentalist (my wife and I used to volunteer for Greenpeace) and a strong proponent of animal rights (we're both vegetarians and we do a tremendous amount of work with feral cats), but I'm not finding any of the anti-pipeline rhetoric very convincing. This stuff is going to be taken out of the ground regardless of whether a pipeline is built. The only different is how it will be transported. I'm not convinced that putting it on fossil-fuel-using trains and trucks is a better alternative.


bawbag - 2016-11-22

The environmental argument is part of it, but there's the usage of eminent domain to seize native treaty land for a private company (voluntary easement not really being adequate etc) and the claim that the impact assessment was rushed far more than it would be even for a much smaller-scale development. There's also the rick perry and trump campaign donations attempting to grease the wheels which further causes anger.

Then there's the obvious government willing to use force to beat, gas, shoot etc those who stand in the way of their oil. It's a mess.

That aside, I used to work with feral cats too, good on you! Hard work but fulfilling!


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