I'd heard that version and also a variant where he was ON the bed while it happened. The one you posted seems more likely, but the other one is the one I want to believe.

are you saying that trump is a pee-cuck?

The other allegations in the dossier are actually far more likely to bear fruit though still unsubstantiated.

Not sure exactly how anyone is ever going to substantiate the chatter/potential agitprop of FSB and co, channeled via MI6 but it's considered credible enough for the US intelligence agencies to brief the prez elect, which isn't something they do lightly.

On 'the left's version of pizzagate' remark: that's practically a talking point at this stage, that's about the 100th times I've seen it.

Has anyone shot up a hotel yet looking for piss? No? Then it's not apt and is actively being used to silence debate of the other contents of the dossier IMHO (not by you particularly, but definitely by a large and vocal bloc who'd just like the dossier to disappear).

Does anyone care if this is true? At least pizzagate was over the possibility of an actual crime involving actual victims.

It seems like a narrative of morality policing is more indicative of an authoritarian state than a free society. You know, like when Evangelical Christians ruled America and had opinions about everyone's bedroom antics? Now the left wants to be all Saudi Arabian about victimless "crimes" involving hookers and penises. I'm sure this wont cost them as heavily as it did fundamentalist Christianity, har har har.

Nothing you can find on pornhub is worth screech-attacking over. Also, Russia needs to upload those tapes to pornhub right now, it can't be grosser than Randy Quaid's porn, but I still wanna' see it!

I don't get the impression most are going for moralistic condemnation of sex acts so much as they are condemning a president-elect who has a high probability of being coerced by russian state actors (and also in large part trolling the thinnest-skinned president-elect in history).

It's funny as fuck to see him lose it over the allegations, he's definitely rattled by the idea that people are going to scrutinise all of his dealings far more closely and rightly it should, because now that he's made enemies of the press and the deep state, the gloves will be very much off and I expect we'll see scandal after scandal until the orange bastard is run out of office.

I think there's a sense of, this shouldn't matter, but all the stuff that SHOULD matter apparently doesn't, so why not run with what people are paying attention to. It's like busting Al Capone on tax evasion.

If he is being coerced by Russian state actors, then it should probably be about that instead of pissing. Otherwise, it looks like it's about pissing.

Unless the two are connected, which, I wont lie, would tickle me stupid if they somehow were, since there would be a legacy of piss-coercion in Russia to discover.

The Al Capone analogy doesn't work, because tax evasion is still a crime. Pissing with hookers is still about morality. I agree with the critique over him being mad about it. The proper answer would have been "it's none of your business what me and the Water Babes do in the Reddest Light District... unless you want some phone numbers for your own adventures, comrade, nudge nudge."

Pretty sure paying people to pee on Ritz Carlton beds is at least a legal gray area.

Oh my god, you made me realize this whole time I could have been making a yellow journalism joke.

So now we know the occult meaning of Red State. Our glorious future as part of the New Soviet World Empire is assured, comrades.

Also, look who hopped out of the ventilator shaft! The eggs must still be spawning down there. That's a comforting thought.

I am directed by Ridley Scott, which is why I suck and fail as a movie on all points except art direction, which is still half-assed and reliant on better people.

This feels more like piggate than pizzagate. Piggate didn't require the mental gymnastics that pizzagate did.

Dude's left his three cats to a friends care and gone to ground, but the media has outed the author and apparently he's a respected ex mi6 agent responsible for the Russian desk. Now he's in fear for his life. Watch out for the polonium roll!

I read that as "pee on Ritz Crackers!" Guess that's all, back to.. which Gate are we on now?

OT but how come "-gate" became the suffix used for scandals and not the prefix "water?" Try it with your favorite scandal! "WaterMonica!" WaterWeiner!" "WaterPussy!" Maybe Trump bringing back the water will turn the tide?

Rimshotgate

Wait, since when are we above shaming people for the sex acts they engage in?

Maybe anonymous gay sex while wearing an animal costume, but not the wholesome act of getting pissed on!

It doesn't contradict any evidence presented by the man himself as contrary to his character. So, pending evidence of innocence, I choose to believe.

You guys have sexual hangups?

I will never use those against you.






Cog, tell Satan I'm ready to sign.

If I ever run for public office (I won't), you can feel free to spill all the beans on my crazy, dangerously sexualized youth and my asexual, borderline monastic adulthood.

Cog, any society where your sexual hangups will make a difference to the viability of your political career is only worth revolting against as a warning to other oppressive moralizing shitbag societies.

These are for the reappearance of my favorite repository of notions -

Yay!

WELCOME HOME, MEMEDUMPSTER!

My sexual hangup is masturbating onto dead cats.

Hooker, dead cats have no moral agency, so long as you didn't kill them yourself nothing was victimized. Unless PETA provided them out of their massive dead cat repositories. *shudders*

Even if I did kill them, I think that as an enlightened society, we still need to recognise that the act of masturbating onto dead cats itself is perfectly normal, is in no way deserving of of suspicion or scorn, and speaks to no moral failing in my character or suggests that I am in any way maladjusted to polite society.

Being attracted to a 17-year-old is fucking sick and we should lock those people up, though.

This would be a sex tape I do not want to see.

It is a pretty stark condemnation of the Republican party in general that this is even plausible.

After watching Donald operate over the past year or so, a few traits stand out. One of them is, if there is a place he feels weakest or is most threatened, he responds by continued assertions that it is his strongest point and beyond questioning.

A reasonable poker played could clean this guy out, he has so many tells.

Do I believe the basic premise, that the FSB has compromising material on him? How could they not? A better question to ask is, how effective could it be? Even a brief review of this mans life is like a "letters to penthouse" story. Most of his supporters would be thrilled. Same with a lot of the corruption charges. If you talk to Americans, you'd be surprised that very few understand what the word corruption actually means, and when presented with examples feel that this is normal behavior for businessmen or consider it "smart".

It would be a fair turn around. He won due to fake news, now it would be cool to see him be the victim of it.

I prefer the term Faux News, as a tip of the hat to the original article.

I don't get it, why would it matter if Obama liked pissing on people during sex?

We've tried trickle down economics before, it was a total wash.

Who pissed in your Cheerios?

:D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1vHUNPXUAEKZWP.jpg

I would like to read the Financial Times report and check their sources, but it's stuck behind a pay wall. What do they say? Were the deals illegal? Were they unprecedented? Were they hidden? Were they in trade for political favor? Was he the only one to benefit? Where is the CNN report on this?

I would like some journalistic questions answered before I take a moral stance against pissing.

Russia is a member of the WTO and work with many American businesses, this hardly disqualifies anyone.

What is interesting, however, is the article mentions a mob boss by the name of "Semen Mogilievich" who is apparently bad news, assuming he is the same person as this person, Semion Mogilevich.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2009/october/mo gilevich_102109

I have no idea how close Russian names can be to one another.

Has the Financial Times worked with the FBI in regards to their expose? It would seem grossly irresponsible not to since the blurb implies that they have the names of many of his cohorts and a record of their dealings with Trump.

Does that record really exist?

Where is the mainstream media on this? Have they contacted the FBI for actual data?

Actual evidence is necessary to make this anything but hand-wringing. Where is it?

I found this report over one of Trump's aids being questioned over dealing with this mob boss. This happened in the Cayman Islands.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-aide-paul-man afort-scrutinized-russian-business-ties-n631241

The report cites no data, only statements by named names which it takes a dataless authority, which is nonsense, and concludes that the investigation is closed. If the data exists, why no consequences?

Where is the data?

This is why "Fake News" is such a big problem right now. No one uses any verifiable information except words someone writes on the spot. No data, not real news. Fake news. Mainstream media and the alternative media are right now in a war to determine who is fake news. They both are.

That needs to change if any of this is ever going to be taken seriously.

Now hold on! According to the Guardian, there is a "black ledger" that is handwritten and discovered that ties Manafort to these heinous deals, so fuck yeah, evidence! They even showed a picture.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/08/15/world/15MANAFORT5-1 471030564576/15MANAFORT5-1471030564576-master675.jpg

This picture has the beautiful caption : "A page from the “black ledger,” released by Ukraine’s National Anti-Corruption Bureau. This page does not include Mr. Manafort’s name."

Why the fuck not!? Good-bye Trump presidency if you'd just got the right page in the smoking ledger scanned. What the hell?

This is why no one trusts the media, it's nonstop confirmation bias piled on a refusal to show anything. It's Mormonism for the politically frightened.

Now, I am convinced by sheer odds that Trump is corrupt as fuck, but it is taking waaaaaay more than Trump's own entourage to hide this corruption, it has to be bipartisan. No one sincerely looking can possibly avoid absolutely everything solid to the point where it all looks manufactured.

I think they're looking for something that doesn't tie him to other opposition politicians within our own ranks, and that is the data that doesn't exist.

"Ukraine’s National Anti-Corruption Bureau"

lol

I hate trump an all that, but have some standards man

Yeah, totally, that's why the Guardian is called a fake news outlet. They call that proof.

I meant the NYT, I found that through The Guardian. It applies to both.

I'll just leave this for reference as to how credible Ukrainian photographic evidence is...

https://www.rt.com/news/232067-fake-photos-russian-army/

(before you scream RT, you can find the same story from American sources, I just like RTs gloating tone)