http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/15/two-thirds-voters-now-s upport-brexit/

The anchor person already kinda did that in his insinuation that it might've been the sound of large balloons popping, because there's NEVER any loud unexpected sounds that happen with live concerts.. ? but yeah it is nice that conclusions weren't immediately made for once too.

I remember people saying exactly that after the Oklahoma City bombing. Oh the fucking irony.

Yeah, I'm tired of these Oklahoma City bombings that seem to be happening every month.

Everything is the same and everything is fine.

Maybe fundamentalist Quakers did this.

I'm so sick of all you PC idiots calling Quakers "the religion of oatmeal".

Fair enough, it was a Muslim.

Unlike you people I waited to find out before jumping to conclusions.

Nikon's post is exactly what "the terrorists winning" looks like. Exactly.

I think the terrorists win by erroding Western culture. That makes OZ's sentiment and Nikon both right in a perplexing way. I can't think of any other political issue that parallels this one, at least none that I've extensively thought about.

I believe open discussion about this, particularly this, is important. This isn't the one to tow the line on, because the absolutist version of either could very possibly turn our society into a hell hole.

Its so sad, and so goddamn stupid.

Are these sincere "build a wall" opinions I'm reading on poetv?

Jesus christ

"I think the terrorists win by eroding Western culture. That makes OZ's sentiment and Nikon both right in a perplexing way. I can't think of any other political issue that parallels this one, at least none that I've extensively thought about."

If only it were possible to acknowledge that we are at risk from some number of Muslims -- and also Christians and Jews and blacks and whites and drunken drivers and so on -- without panicking deciding that all Muslims or all blacks or whatever are a threat. IF ONLY.

But that requires a refusal to give in to one's worst impulses. One might even say, a refusal to do the work of eroding Western culture FOR the terrorists.

"Yeah, I'm tired of these Oklahoma City bombings that seem to be happening every month."

Admittedly, whites don't bomb whites so much in this country. Which just might have something to do with how white people are in charge and have created a society that's generally beneficial to whites, so there's little incentive for whites to blow up whites. But hate crimes against minorities are on the rise, and blacks can't even feel reasonably certain they'll walk away from an ordinary traffic stop unscathed.

If you're looking for monsters in the United States, a lot more of them are white than Muslim. It's just that you personally are unlikely to be targeted by them.

In other news, Betty Shelby was recently found not guilty.

>>"If only it were possible to acknowledge that we are at risk from some number of Muslims -- and also Christians and Jews and blacks and whites and drunken drivers and so on -- without panicking deciding that all Muslims or all blacks or whatever are a threat. IF ONLY."

That is a false equivalency. You can't possibly think the existential threat by the way that Christianity and Judaism is practiced in the West is on par with Islam, especially in its native countries. That's not saying they are inherently better or kinder, but they have adapted to and been diluted by modernity.

Divorce race from the issue. Its ideological. There's nothing controversial about it. Imagine a hypothetical country that is populated with a group that is Liberally sanctioned to be critical of, say the American alt-right. The extreme American right pales in comparison to the violence, intimidation, hatred of gays, misogyny and child abuse actually practiced by or passively supported by millions of this ideology. Not all of them, but a statistically significant amount. Is that a well we should draw indiscriminately from? I think Liberals would be picketing the airports.

>>"Admittedly, whites don't bomb whites so much in this country. Which just might have something to do with how white people are in charge and have created a society that's generally beneficial to whites"

What were the recent attacks protesting? The Orlando shooting was in response to what? I don't think being worried about terrorism in the US is statistically warranted. But, more open borders have proved to have negative social implications.

>>"If you're looking for monsters in the United States, a lot more of them are white than Muslim."

I agree.


I'm not under the illusion we have open borders. I'm not in support of border walls or banning a religion from the US. I'm only suggesting it's not a cut-and-dry issue and the Left seems to have an absurd amount of cognitive dissonance about it. I saw a protestor in the NYTs or somewhere, holding a sign that read "Transqueers for Islam" or something similar. Really?! Fundamentally practiced, it's about the furthest thing from tolerant progressivism.



I'm not pretending to have the answer to this.

And for whatever record, I'm more than happy to live along side any people of any nationality or persuasion that wish to live peacefully and reasonably embrace the values of a free and civil society. People that come from hell holes and are afforded the good things the west has to offer makes the world a better place.

Most Muslim terrorist attacks target Muslims in majority Muslim countries, so Bort's racist bullshit about whites being too in charge to be terrorists is demonstrably racist. To be frank, Islamic terrorism in the USA has taken a back seat to Antifa and other lone snowflake domestic terrorist acts, making the regleft the dominant terrorist threat to the American public. Jihadists choose their battles, the reggies are pure barbarian rage in ideological murder/suicide mode.

I think the Jihadists are more methodical because their bigotry isn't based on being whatever garbage human it takes to be smug, comfortable, and eternally infantile, but a doctrine which is unchanging. The reggies will burn out quick, like flash paper, leaving liberals and authoritarians to soberly hash it out towards progress with a minimu of the racist bullshit the reggies and their soul mates, the alt-right, bring to the table.

I truly think Jihadists exist as a misunderstanding of the human need to belong, while the regleft and altright exist as a willful assault on Western values for modern fascism.

I'm also inclined to believe, in the long run, the alt right and Marxist left's march towards bitter, authoritarian, fatalistic nihilism is a bigger threat to our society than any religious import.

My comments above are a bit of a proxy argument with what meme calls the "regressive left." Not even a couple weeks ago people here were advocating murder and violence against Southern tiki racists for peacefully assembling. Now when children are blown up, I don't see close to the same outrage. (Calls for murder aren't right in either case, just pointing out a glaring inconsistency) Why? Because that line of thinking is morally bankrupt and I don't believe your motives. Does no one else notice?

"Most Muslim terrorist attacks target Muslims in majority Muslim countries, so Bort's racist bullshit about whites being too in charge to be terrorists is demonstrably racist."

I'm not sure what to make of this. Are you EvilHomering? Do you just want to get into a fight for the sake of fighting (in which case I can accommodate)? Surely you understand that Muslims who attack Muslims in Muslim countries are using different criteria on which to identify "others" -- Sunni vs Shia, Punjabis vs Pashtuns -- so that ain't what motivates you.

I read the term "nail bomb" last night. There was a video circulating of a woman who was being treated for injuries. She was wearing black leggings and when she sat down, you could see the blood dripping from her calves onto the floor.

22 people dead and over 60 wounded last I heard

mostly children.

because people were there?

oh SNAP

Because bombing a children's birthday party that has nickleback playing would be considered an act of mercy