"messy but not a mess" is actually pretty on point

This reminded me of Matrix Revolutions more than any Star Wars movie. The promise of answers to cryptic things set up in the previous movie? Ha ha, nope!

It was fine and I actually liked the fuck you given to fan theories.

That said, everything with Finn could have been cut out and the movie wouldn't have suffered. Definitely felt like the director didn't know what to do with the character so he wrote a 30 minute cartoon for him to star in.

I meant to vote this down because I want stop thing about Star Wars.

Buuut since we're here for as long as this movie was it didn't give itself enough time to tell it's story. The movie spends all of its time breaking down the Heroism that when it switches to rebuilding what it means to be a hero at the end of the movie it feels rushed and contradictory.

Also how did Luke die? Did he use too much force power at once? Can't you not get stabbed as a force projection? Or did he have the space cancer?

Maybe it was like the last Lord of the Rings movie where he got started and just didn't know where the fuck to go with it.

Seriously, I saw no reason for The Force Awakens to exist. It wasn't bad, it just seemed like everyone expected a new Star Wars movie so they sat down at their word processor and banged it out between watching Friends reruns.

Groan.

Five stars for Star Wars fans getting something different than a simple rehash of Empire Strikes Back and still hating it.

For a popcorn adventure film mainly aimed at children, it was a solid C+, maybe B, but I guess anything short of "Luke Skywalker taking down the entire First Order with his laser sword" is rage inducing to the Star Wars fandom.

I'm hoping they'll re-extend an offer to David Lynch to direct another Star Wars movie and really piss them off.

Whatever pisses in the mouths of the Internet’s worst people is fine by me.

The end of this review is the best trashing of Stah Wahs fans I've seen in years.

I didn't hate it.

The movie is a fun popcorn space adventure with decent writing but the unfortunate pratfalls of 1). Having way too much going on at once for the brain to process and 2). Still not explaining how Rey gets to be a level 20 Jedi Wizard when she comes from faceless space rednecks and 3). Cringe inducing forced humor. That prank phone call to the Star Destroyer made me uneasy in my seat.

It does feel like Rian Johnson threw out a lot of what J.J. Abrams set up. According to IMDB Abrams will be back to write and direct Episode IX instead of Jurassic World guy, so with any luck (and barring intervention from the Disney board room) he'll reinstate and tie up his threads.

It was a Star Wars movie centered on thr theme of moving on from the past and learning to embrace change.

For some reason, this touched a nerve with die-hard Star Wars fans. Can't imagine why.

I still haven't seen this.

If it's like Star Trek Discovery, it's better than the fans deserve and only exists to out your friends as narcissist authoritarian hate-bastards you can safely remove from your life.

The Last Jedi is fatally flawed, ignoring all of the professional clickbait-erati and forum posters demanding to know why user ratings on sites like Rotten Tomatoes are much, much lower on average than "professional" critic reviews and floating ideas about Gamergate conspiracies and Russian bots - as well as eye-glazing think pieces chalking the negative response up to "toxic masculinity" or how The Last Jedi is the appropriate response to "mansplaining".

I skipped on the last two star wars films in the theater but saw TLJ with a group and I thought at the very least that Disney would produce a soulless, glib, but mildly entertaining movie with a slick sheen similar to one of your Marvel CU productions. But this thing is an incoherent mess on nearly every level. It has all the worst elements of designed by committee assembly-line corporate product but lacks the baseline competent craftsmanship. The story's incoherent. The actions and motivations of the characters are incoherent, the very existence of this movie is incoherent.


First off, the pacing is clumsy. Scenes don't build to a crescendo, don't gain momentum, and the cuts are inexplicable and often jarring. The original Star Wars, thanks to the work in editing by Marcia Lucas and Richard Chew, drives forward with confident cuts that keep the story moving swiftly. The Last Jedi plods in an amateurish, film school way. Of the movie's many flaws, this one is the most surprising and baffling. How many professionals laid eyes on this product before it was released? It's amazing that something this inept escaped from a major studio with billions riding on its success. It feels like sound and visual effects were added to a second cut or a rough assembly. Aside from a few faster-paced stretches during the final half hour, The Last Jedi clunks and plods along in hapless fits and starts.

The plot and characters are similarly incoherent. Do I even need to elaborate here? Plot holes. Leaps of logic. Characters making uncharacteristic choices. Decades of byzantine Star Wars nerd lore trampled upon. Don't get me wrong: in a way I almost admire Rian Johnson's approach. He isn't afraid to be iconoclastic. He killed characters on a whim and avoided the J.J. Abrams style of Overly Precious Franchise Reverence. In fact, the movie's actually interesting when Adam Driver's character hints, suggests new directions the franchise could go. However, for every almost clever subversion of audience expectations, there are more cheap and stupid ones undercutting it.

Letting the Original Trilogy characters die off-screen before TFA would have been more dignified than what has happened to them here, they're all old losers. I cannot believe they included that scene where Luke milks some space walrus/sloth's tits and drinks the blue stuff that squirts out and comes off like a homeless sex offender.

Also, that was another problem, the "humor" of TLJ - could five minutes go by WITHOUT some inane sitcom lines or crappy Whedonesque "snark" or droid or porg slapstick? By the way, congrats on the creation of the porgs, even more annoying than the Ewoks but serving no narrative purpose.

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