"Lost their minds" is interesting. Personally, I doubt it, and actually they never had their minds to begin with. I think that a significant portion of white Americans are deeply racist and hateful to their core. A lot more than we ever believed.

Trump is the leg they can stand on. If Trump dies tomorrow, they will still be standing on that diseased and rotted leg for decades to come.

I think everyone underestimates the power of stupid peoples' resentment at being told not to do stupid shit.

You know, by people with educations and stuff, thinking they're more educated than people without educations.

Fucking dirty hippies. Always acting like they're right about everything just because they've always been right about everything.

Well, there's no doubt that a lot of Americans have always been racist. That's why a black president was seen as a mortal threat. But there's so much more to this moment in history than racism.

>>>Trump is the leg they can stand on. If Trump dies tomorrow, they will still be standing on that diseased and rotted leg for decades to come.

Racism will exist after Trump, but Trumpism is cult of personality, and that personality is obviously defective and self-destructive. He's a delusional, objectiveely and provably, but the Republican party props up his lies, because it's in their political self-interest, but it's not going to be in their self interest forever.

There is no future-preddicting technology, but when the emperor has no clothes, betting on a naked emperor, while not exactly a sure thing, is where the smart money is.

White Americans are generally racist, and always have been, from the hateful racism of republicans to the patronizing/NIMBY racism of leftist gentrifying yuppies.

The only thing that changed is that for the last 30 years Fox News/Republican politicians/the internet have been telling racists that racism is acceptable in America, and all that shit hit critical mass when a slightly (barely) liberal half-black guy became president.

Suddenly the powerful racists had an opportunity to whip up the poor racists. They’ve been warning them for decades that minorities were going to take away their privilege (while rich republicans were fleecing them blind) and up comes a black man talking away the highest position of white privilege in America.

The piranhas were starving and Obama was bloody cattle leg thrown into their pool.m


(Co-starring; America’s competely corrupt and morally bankrupt political system, broken for decades, which will readily accept bigots and racists because most of it now functions only as a means of wealth acquisition for the political class and the ruling oligarchs)

Okay, here's the thing. On one hand:

>>>White Americans are generally racist,

is, I'm sorry, a fairy bigoted statement, unless you know the majority of white Americans not only personally, but initmately.

On the other hand, white Americans feeling victimized because of this kind of thing really really REALLY need to get a little perspective on what other people go to Somebody thinking you're racist is not the worst thing ever. Not even remotely close.

Now, there is such a thing as not getting it. I myself, just a few years ago, got into an argument with someone in POETV, over the concept of WHITE PRIVILEGE. Well, one of these people turned out to be wrong, and it was me. Some people, and white people are not immune, have pretty good intentions. They certainly don't want to be racist, but they don't really understand how racism works, and why would they? Does that make them racist? Honestly, I don't know, but if you think someone is judging you unfairly, it doesn't make you all that special.

>>>The only thing that changed is that for the last 30 years Fox News/Republican politicians/the internet have been telling racists that racism is acceptable in America, and all that shit hit critical mass when a slightly (barely) liberal half-black guy became president.

Not really. What they've been telling White Americans is that liberals are racist against white people. It's based on a dumbed-down, absurdly literal, two-dimensional view of things. When you hear Republicans not only talking about how Trump WASN'T racist and also how those freshman congresswimen ARE racist you realize that they just don't know how racism works. It's a mixture of unintentional ignorance, willful ignorance, and politically expedient lies. Is it racist to be ignorant about racism? I don't know the answeer, but I'm pretty sure the answer is semantics.

Don't worry, American history will find a way to absolve America of the fact that a lot of Americans are really horrible people.

Russian misinformation, news "brainwashing" or 9/11 PTSD will be used to excuse this.

Well, to be fair "they were horrible people" isn't really the kind of insight that the social science of history is supposed to promote.

re: the right-wing trope that "liberals are racist against white people" I always thought that was part of their "I know you are but what am I?" playground tactic that was popularized by certain right-wing media pundits on AM radio and FOX News. IIRC some Nazi advised this tactic as well...

I can honestly say that I'm constantly terrified of coming off as racist around people of color, just because I feel so fucking awkward all the time.

And what if there's something racist inside me? Some bad wiring I acquired when I was 5 years old in 1963? How do I live with the possibility other than being on guard all the time?

You know, my best friend in college was a big tall black muslim women from Philadelphia. I mention this not to prove that I'm not racist, but rather to prove that having had a black friend doesn't really make that much of a difference.

I think the taboo is killing us. Prejudice is a human weakness that may be universal, but it sure is common. Here's how we get over this.

Person of Color:
Hey, that was kind of racist what you just said.

White Person
Was it? Okay, you know what? I think my intentions were good, but I think your perception, and how you want to be treated, matters as much as my intentions. I apologize, and I'll try to take your feelings into account in the future.

Person of Color
I accept your apology, and your statement of good intentions.

Like the man said, I have a dream.

Of course, not everybody has good intentions.

Looking back, I've had one mortifiying experience with a black person involving race in my entire 60 years. And here's the thing about that. It was 100 per cent eye contact. Nothing at all violent, or even angry. It was in Florida, in 1990. I've never forgotten it. It was terrible but really, was it worth being so terrified for so long? Decades of sphincter tightening?

My point is that the taboo is getting in the way. And to the extent that this is a political strategy, it builds on the power of the taboo.

Things are probably going to get a whole lot better when my generation finally dies. Something to look forward to.

They re-elected Nixon. Biggest landslide ever.

WWND: What Would Nixon Do?

What? He’s completely culpable

Yelling 'fire" in a crowded theater is free speech, maaaaaaaan

These motherfuckers had a whole slew of candidates to choose from, all of whom were promising smaller government, lower taxes, repeal of the ACA, etc.

They chose the racist misogynist asshole because that's who they wanted, not because he tricked them. His popularity has gotten a little bump recently because a big chunk of his base is glad the racism is out in the open now.

Fuck these people and most of all fuck them for inflicting Trump on us.

Just the same, fuck Kentucky for Mitch McConnell.

Sometimes, it does feel like Trump can't help himself. This is his nightmare, too, and removing him from office could be interpreted as an act of kindness.

There's so much blame to go around, but mostly I'm inclined to blame the producers of THE APPRENTICE. I saw one of these guys in a documentary. They knew who Trump was, and they portrayed him as a magical business genius for FOURTEEN YEARS. "WE thought of it as a joke", he said. It was like fourteen years of THE TRIUMPH OF THE WILL. Seriously, at no point during those years did anyone stop to consider that the irony might be lost? Like when Trump asked Meat Loaf if he should run for President, and Meat Loaf, presumably not wanting to not be the next person fired, said "Absolutely!"

One the biggest reasons why this happened is that no one thought it could happen. And everybody was making money.

Hi racist piece of shit.

See you’re still being a racist piece of shit.

Well, keep up the...work

Could someone please give me a reason why Ilhan Omar hates Jews other than "critical of Israel"? A link or something? And look, I guess she said something once about Israel that crossed a line, in a way that, frankly, I do not understand, and she was criticized for that. And she apologized.

Criticism is valid by default. I spent a whole lot of time in here defending Chelsea Clinton for retweetintg someone's criticism of Ilhan Omar.

But I'm not finding a real straight line to SHE HATES JEWS, IT'S A PROVEN FACT. And yes, I have googled it. So maybe someone can help me out.

Republican shills for AIPAC said she’s a racist therefor it’s true. If you disagree it’s only BECUASE YOU HATE JEWS!!

...and right on-cue comes brawndo with the boilerplate reactionary response

Somalia is a country that has been thoroughly inculcated in his hatred towards Jews. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has talked about this at great length. If you don't think BDS is motivated by antisemitism, you are a fucking moron.

Oh but the left is never racist or anti-Semitic, you sigh.

I guess that's why when Ms. Omar publicly declared AIPAC was solely, SOLELY responsible for why we have a relationship with Israel (it's all about the Benjamins!) she was ignoring all the Muslim money trying to influence Washington or her own organization, CAIR, which supports HEZBOLLAH. Ms. Ali, who I greatly admire, wrote in an article:

"Spreading anti-Semitism through all these channels is no trivial matter—and this brings us to the question of resources. “It’s all about the Benjamins baby,” Ms. Omar tweeted in February, implying that American politicians support Israel only because of Jewish financial contributions. The irony is that the resources available to propagate Islamist ideologies, with their attendant anti-Semitism, vastly exceed what pro-Israel groups spend in the U.S. Since the early 1970s the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has spent vast sums to spread Wahhabi Islam abroad. Much of this funding is opaque, but estimates of the cumulative sum run as high as $100 billion.

Thousands of schools in Pakistan, funded with Saudi money, “teach a version of Islam that leads [to] anti-Western militancy,” according to Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy—and, one might add, to an anti-Semitic militancy.

In recent years the Saudi leadership has tried to turn away from supporting this type of religious radicalism. But increasingly Qatar seems to be taking over the Saudi role. In the U.S. alone, the Qatar Foundation has given $30.6 million over the past eight years to public schools, ostensibly for teaching Arabic and promoting cultural exchange.

. . .The allegation that Jewish or Zionist money controls Congress is nonsensical. The Center for Responsive Politics estimates that the Israeli government has spent $34 million on lobbying in Washington since 2017. The Saudis and Qataris spent a combined $51 million during the same period. If we include foreign nongovernmental organizations, the pro-Israel lobbying figure rises to $63 million—less than the $68 million spent lobbying for Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

In 2018 domestic American pro-Israeli lobbying—including but not limited to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or Aipac—totaled $5.1 million. No comparable figures are available for domestic pro-Islamist lobbying efforts. But as journalist Armin Rosen observes, Aipac’s 2018 total, at $3.5 million, was less than either the American Association of Airport Executives or the Association of American Railroads spent on lobbying. Aipac’s influence has more to do with the power of its arguments than the size of its wallet."

She went on to conclude:

"The problem of Muslim anti-Semitism is much bigger than Ilhan Omar. Condemning her, expelling her from the House Foreign Affairs Committee, or defeating her in 2020 won’t make the problem go away.

Islamists have understood well how to couple Muslim anti-Semitism with the American left’s vague notion of “social justice.” They have succeeded in couching their agenda in the progressive framework of the oppressed versus the oppressor. Identity politics and victimhood culture also provide Islamists with the vocabulary to deflect their critics with accusations of “Islamophobia,” “white privilege” and “insensitivity.” A perfect illustration was the way Ms. Omar and her allies were able to turn a House resolution condemning her anti-Semitism into a garbled “intersectional” rant in which Muslims emerged as the most vulnerable minority in the league table of victimhood."


And I agree. The fact is, MOST Muslims are encouraged in their hatred of Jews from an early age. Ex-Muslims will speak out against this but Muslims in America will generally be careful to not speak to the radical left about their hatred of Jews. They make it seem like they are simply offended by Israel's policies or actions but they excuse everything Hezbollah does and they certainly give Hamas a pass.

So fuck you, you anti-Semitic apologist.

Brawndo, I don't fucking buy it. You can't draw a straight line between criticism between criticism of Israel and hatred of news by explaining how devious and manipulative Muslims are. I mean Jesus Christ, I wish you could at least be self aware enough to be.embarrassed by this obvious hypocrisy.

It's Antisemitism if she talks about how the Jews are devious.and.manipulative. If some of her criticism of Israel is factually incorrect, it's valid to criticize her, but that happens all the time.

After reading your post more carefully, let me.tell you why you're full of shit. That whole long long post that's supposed.to be about how.Ilhan Omar is antisemitic contains only.six words quoted from Ilhan Omar.. THAT is a fucking tell.

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This should be the end of it.

>>>On Tuesday, an evangelical outfit called Proclaiming Justice to the Nations accused the Anti-Defamation League — the Anti-Defamation League! — of siding with anti-Semites after the ADL called out Trump’s racism. The group even had the audacity to hurl a Hebrew denunciation — “lashon hara,” or “evil tongue” — at the Jewish civil rights organization.

Sweet Baby Jesus!

Here's something else that hit me.

The Center for Responsive Politics estimates that the Israeli government has spent $34 million on lobbying in Washington since 2017. The Saudis and Qataris spent a combined $51 million during the same period.


Saudi Arabia.
Qatar.

So I guess that

Saudi Arabi

and

Qatar

aren't really getting any real traction in the US for the lobbying money that they spend, right?

I love that you idiots are defending this cunt after she has had the audacity to say we should boycott Israel but not any of the Muslim countries that have been guilty of actual genocide against Christians, atheists or gays.

You know, like Saudi Arabia. Why isn't she interested in a boycott against a country that routinely murders people for having different non-Muslim religious views?

You people are such fucking idiots and you are so fucking brainwashed that you think anyone who joins the Democrats is looking out for you. I got news for you. THIS BITCH cares ONLY ABOUT MUSLIMS and she gives FUCK ALL about any of you.

But continue to parade around this evil cunt and maybe some day the Muslims will complete their holy war and kill every Jew in existence. Then you can all celebrate in the ashes that remain of Israel because YAY DIVERSITY.

You fucking morons.

Tell us more about Ilhan Omar's plan to boycott Israel back to the stone age.

>>>But continue to parade around this evil cunt and maybe some day the Muslims will complete their holy war and kill every Jew in existence.

Okay, so to sum up:

1. Liberals condemn Trump's racist attack on four women in congress

2. ?????

3. All Jews on earth are murdered.

As usual, there's stuff I can agree with in your post and stuff I think is absolute nonsense. It's true that Saudi Arabia is an enormously repressive society that amplifies it's influence by pushing its particularly intolerant brand of Islam in resource-poor Muslim countries. It's true that judeophobia is rampant in the Muslim world. But I think that both sides of the political spectrum acknowledge this: nobody likes having to deal with Saudi Arabia, but they're in a region where we have few allies, they have a whole lot of a critical resource we can't do without, and we sell them a lot of guns. We've been struggling with this contradiction since at least the Carter presidency. There are no good choices there.

But your argument's still full of weird holes. The fact that Saudi Arabia funds madrassas in Pakistan may or may not have affected Omar, who grew up, largely, in Minnesota. Anyway, you don't provide any real proof that it did. The fact that the majority of Muslims have real problems with Israel does not presuppose that they dream of nothing but murdering them all, though some certainly do. (Remember that until about the nineties, most pro-Palestinian organizations were leaned secular/socialist instead of strictly religious.) Opposition to Israel notwithstanding, it's inaccurate to imply that, underneath it all, Muslims are really all Jew-killers in waiting, which is essentially what you're doing here. You cannot throw one billion people into the same category like that.

Should Omar have said that American support for Israel is "all about the Benjamins?" No. It was a stupid and simplistic thing to say. But it's hardly controversial to suggest that money punches its weight in Congress. But that doesn't necessarily prove that she's an anti-Semite. Anyway, your assertion that Omar cares more about Muslims and not at all about Americans is pure, unfounded bigotry. If I said that Jewish representatives in Congress are more concerned with the well-being of Israel than with the well-being of Americans, that would be an obviously anti-Semitic statement. You are basically implying that American Muslims are incapable of separating their religion from their nationality, and I don't buy that for a minute.

>>>It's true that judeophobia is rampant in the Muslim world.

OF COURSE IT IS.

But it's also true that the Muslim World is huge and varied.

Brawndo's arguement boils down to Omar is a Muslim and all Muslims want to kill all jews. They don't really talk about this. It's a secret that 1.5 billion people have managed to keep from the rest of the world. However, we have people who left Islam, and they've spilled the beans.

To me, "all about the Benjamins" seems mostly to be a dig at Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel's Prime Minister, who remains a hated figure in much of the world, possibly because he's a huge dick? Well, he sort of comes off that way to me. Whether it is a completely accurate picture of the mechanics of American foreign policy seems beyond the point. But again, these are the only words quoted from Ihan Omar that anyone has even brought up in this long thread.

We have a whole more evidence in this thread that Brawndo is a racist. I'm not saying that Brawndo is a racist. Only that there is more evidence of that in this thread. Also, he calls Ilhan Omar a cunt.

>>>If you don't think BDS is motivated by antisemitism, you are a fucking moron

I don't know what BDS is, but when I goodle it, the first thing that comes up is a lot of conservative sites talking about how antisemetic it is. I don't know if there's a solid argument here, but I do know that "you are a moron" isn't making any kind of argument. Conceivably, Brawndo could right about everything, which would make it all the more tragic that his arguments are so lazy, and so replete with unproven assumptions.

Okay, I found it:

https://bdsmovement.net/

Since I'm a moron, helpo me out and show me the evidence of antisemitism

Anisemites?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/06/13/israel-apparent-war-crimes -gaza

Since I seem to have thrown the gauntlet down, mostly out of annoyance with Brawndo's terrible arguments, let's just take it for granted that, if you scrutinize any organization that opposes the policies of Israel, you're going to find an antisemite or two. Let's just get that out of the way.