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themilkshark - 2020-04-18

Corn Pop was a bad dude


Hazelnut - 2020-04-18

Elizabeth Warren was my favourite candidate. She’s a woman of deep principle. She would surely have endorsed the winner no matter what, but she wouldn’t have said all that unless she meant it.

Her thumbs up weighs more with me than ten thousand trolls from the same echo chamber.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-04-18

She's a GILF.


Anaxagoras - 2020-04-18

I agree with Hazelnut 100%. She's the only present-day person (politician or otherwise) that has truly impressed me.

I would never abdicate my own judgement or blindly follow her, but her opinion carries a *lot* of weight with me as well.


Stopheles - 2020-04-18

Agreed. I'm still disappointed to have not gotten to vote her in the primary, but NY never matters in the primaries. If Biden is who we have, I'll accept that voting against Trump is the important part right now.

Really, let's all just think of it as voting for Ginsberg's replacement on the Supreme Court.


Crackersmack - 2020-04-18

In related news, yesterday Biden had a fundraiser with Erskine Bowles. He's another guy who, like Biden, has dedicated his entire career to cutting or eliminating Social Security.


Pillager - 2020-04-18

I can't wait to the measured, calm response from the Khive when Fauxcahontas is tapped for VP.


SolRo - 2020-04-18

a democrat will eliminate social security...riiiiight.


SolRo - 2020-04-18

"Fauxcahontas"

Are you literally Donald trump?

Or just that fucking stupid?


Pillager - 2020-04-18

1/1024th native american.

She's been caught lying about a lot of other things as well.


Hazelnut - 2020-04-18

"Fauxcahontas" tells you everything you need to know about Pillager and Crackersmack's credibility.


SolRo - 2020-04-18

Bernie endorsed Biden too. Why don't you go blindly attack him like the dumb rabid dog you are.


Cena_mark - 2020-04-18

He wont cut it as quickly and gleefully as Trump and the RepubliKKKans. Vote blue no matter who


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-04-18

Wow, here's a puzzler.

Here's a video in the hopper that was uploaded by DEMOCRACY NOW nine days ago, and Pillager and Crackersmack have voted it as "DUPE". I'm sure I've been here for all of those nine days, and I don't remember seeing it. It certainly wasn't voted up in the last seven days. And if there's another video, it couldn't have been tagged "Noam Chomsky"

It looks conspiratorial, but it would be a pretty stupid conspiracy. So I guess it's something else going on here, but I sure would like someone to tell me what that is.


http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=175495&what=VOTING


Crackersmack - 2020-04-18

No way is Warren gonna get picked as VP, even that empty gesture would be considered too much of a concession to 'the left', and we know that the party absolutely will not give one inch to us.

If I had to bet money on it I'd say it's gonna be Gretchen Whitmer because she's an insurance executive.


Hazelnut - 2020-04-19

Weaker every time.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-04-18

>>>"Fauxcahontas" tells you everything you need to know about Pillager and Crackersmack's credibility.

Really.. It gets easier to ignore these deep thinkers every time.

Two things are happening at once right now with the Democrats: A techtonic shift to the left , but also an emergency, an honest to god fascist strongman. The party decided to pick the "safe candidate" I think it was a good choice because it puts the focus on Trump's record. Sorry, this is not the year for medicare for all, Except, it kind of was.

POLITICO: What AOC gets that Bernie didn't.
https://tinyurl.com/ybg5v4n3


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-04-18

>>>techtonic

Is that even a word?


SolRo - 2020-04-18

It’s my new EDM DJ name


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-04-18

This guy is my favorite source for music for videos.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-04-18

https://decktonic.bandcamp.com/


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-04-18

>>>1/1024th native american.

>>>She's been caught lying about a lot of other things as well.

Remember how they caught her? It was when she took a DNA test, and publicly announced the results.

You know, Pillager, I know you're tired of being called a Republican shill, and it's not fair to you... but have you considered the Republican party? It might be a good fit for you.


ashtar. - 2020-04-19

Her pretending to be a Native American, Rachel Dolezal-style, for years, letting Harvard Law claim they had a woman of color professor, getting baited by Trump into taking a DNA test, then proudly releasing the results that showed she does not actually have significant native ancestry, all while actual progressive native activists pleaded with her to please stop and that ancestry isn't what makes someone a member of a tribe anyway, would absolutely disqualify her from office in any sane society. Not only is it deeply racist, it's also just really fucking dumb.

It's weird that her whole brand is as some kind of aspirational idpol avatar for the White Professional Managerial Class as the Most Meritocratic Smart Person (House Ravenclaw) when she keeps making these absolutely windowlicker tier unforced dumb errors in her political career. Remember when she dropped her unworkable "M4A" walkback plan that alienated both progressives and moderates? Or when she took ads from the largest super PAC in the race after repeatedly denouncing super PACs and "wine cave" fundraising? Good, dumb, stuff.

The entire effect of her presidential run was to get third in her home state and make sure the guy she literally got into politics to oppose got the nom nom over the most progressive candidate in a generation. I want to say that she won't get the VP or even a cabinet slot because her unfavorable polling is really bad outside of the white PMC and Wall Street funding would dry up, but the democrats seem absolutely dedicated to losing elections so who knows?

snake emoji


Hazelnut - 2020-04-19

Weak, stale, repetitive. I guess at least determined. I rate a 2 out of 10.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-04-19

>>>>Her pretending to be a Native American, Rachel Dolezal-style, for years, letting Harvard Law claim they had a woman of color professor, getting baited by Trump into taking a DNA test, then proudly releasing the results that showed she does not actually have significant native ancestry, all while actual progressive native activists pleaded with her to please stop and that ancestry isn't what makes someone a member of a tribe anyway, would absolutely disqualify her from office in any sane society. Not only is it deeply racist, it's also just really fucking dumb.

It's just weird how you attack her foir not being truthful and attack her for being truthful. This iw what conservatives do. Trump doubles down on a lie, until he's forced to lie about having lied. When someone comes clean about the the truth, issues a correction or an apology (warren did both) He'll treat it like treat it like an admission of weakness.

It's completely plausible that Elizabeth Warren grew up hearing stories about her ancestry that were exagerated. In my own family's oral history are stories of Native American ancestors that are, in retrospect, sort of sketchy. Every commercial for 23 and me is abiout someone who thought his family was from italy and it turned outb they were from germany. There are any number of reasons why someone in her family's past may have mistaken or misrepresented their ancestry. Maybe a case of mustaken paternity, or someone trying to do business with Natives,

>>> letting Harvard Law claim they had a woman of color professor,

How responsible is she for this claim by Harvard Law school, which should have been considered ridiculous at the time?

You making a big deal of this seems deeply racist.

/1034 is not as many generations back as you might think.maybe about 6 generations.


Bort - 2020-04-19

I really dislike having to agree with ashtar. because nothing he posts is in good faith, but Warren deserves to be dinged over the Native American issue.

Just like Trump, she sees Native-American-ness as a matter of blood, not culture. While ancestry is a factor, someone like Warren has spent no time among the Native American community and has no claim beyond a quirk of genetics. That's kind of racist no matter how you slice it.

Here is a true fact about me: 23 and Me revealed that I have an African ancestor from the 1700s. Should I go around calling myself African-American? Of course not; my whole life has been a White Guy Palooza, I have never experienced any of what makes a person specifically African-American. It would be the worst form of appropriation to start claiming to be African-American now, so that I could have the prestige of overcoming cultural adversity without having to actually experience the cultural adversity.

As for Warren at Harvard, she was not some 19-year-old ingenue from Oklahoma experiencing The Big City for the first time; she was a law professor in her 40s. When Harvard was citing her as The minority woman teaching in the law department, she knew exactly what was going on with that, and she did not object or protest. She chose her side on that, and it was against minority representation.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1996/10/22/survey-diversity -lacking-at-hls-pa/

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Of 71 current Law School professors and assistant professors, 11 are women, five are black, one is Native American and one is Hispanic, said Mike Chmura, spokesperson for the Law School.

Although the conventional wisdom among students and faculty is that the Law School faculty includes no minority women, Chmura said Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren is Native American.

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So Warren deserves to be faulted for her handling of her Native American ancestry. That said, I voted for her, because she is ALSO responsible for bills like the Native American Suicide Prevention Act of 2018 and then an NASPA of 2019: she was paying attention to issues that matter to minority communities, and trying to write legislation to address them. I wouldn't mind a president who used her executive power to deal with issues that maybe aren't big and flashy, but need to be dealt with and nobody else is attending to them.

So Liz has got entries on both sides of the ledger.

(See, mediocre asshats who think being contrary is equivalent to being clever? It's possible to look at public officials with some nuance and depth. Or at least people who aren't fucking stupid can do it.)


Hazelnut - 2020-04-19

Fault Warren for her handling of her ancestry? Certainly. She has egg on her face for that one. It was dumb.

Go from that to "Fauxcahontas?" Fuck no.

Go from that to "The entire effect of her presidential run was to get third in her home state and make sure the guy she literally got into politics to oppose got the nom nom over the most progressive candidate in a generation"? Nope, just ashtar being ashtar.

But I expect we agree on that. :-)


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-04-19

>>>I really dislike having to agree with ashtar. because nothing he posts is in good faith,

I don't think you're agreeing with ashtar. He seems to think that Elizabth Warren carried on a deliberate deception that should disqualify her from elected office. You think she got it wrong, and should be "dinged", which, if it means criticized, is something that I may also endorse. No one is above criticism.

>>>Just like Trump, she sees Native-American-ness as a matter of blood, not culture.

"Just like Trump" is a comparison that distorts more than it illuminates.

Isn't having native American ancestry a matter of blood? Is there such a things as having native American ancestry, seperate from culture? Maybe I don'\t get it either, because no one comes out of the womb understanding these things.

Since I'm not about to vote for Elizabeth Warren, I'm not really willing to research this issue, but it seems to me that by taking the test , she put this behind her.

And I find it hard to believe that she hasn't learned anything from this. I question your use of present tense in "she sees nativeness as..."


>>>Here is a true fact about me: 23 and Me revealed that I have an African ancestor from the 1700s. Should I go around calling myself African-American? Of course not; my whole life has been a White Guy Palooza, I have never experienced any of what makes a person specifically African-American. It would be the worst form of appropriation to start claiming to be African-American now, so that I could have the prestige of overcoming cultural adversity without having to actually experience the cultural adversity.

Yes, but your hypothetical is the reverse of what happened with Warren. She took the test and stopped makiing the claim. Maybe she grew up with a fucked up idea of her heritage and what it meant. I read (somewhere unreliable, maybe a youtube comment) that nearly everybody in Oklahoma has a story like that.

>>>As for Warren at Harvard, she was not some 19-year-old ingenue from Oklahoma experiencing The Big City for the first time; she was a law professor in her 40s. When Harvard was citing her as The minority woman teaching in the law department, she knew exactly what was going on with that, and she did not object or protest. She chose her side on that, and it was against minority representation.

Yes, and maybe she should be dinged for that. But I don't fully her understand her culpability, or what the cosequences were for her. Or at what point she was consulted, if at all. And I don't think it's worth knowing, at least in a discussion about her endorsement for Biden in 2020.

And incididentally, "Pochanantas" is just stupid. It would be far wittier and more appropriate to call her "Iron Eyes".


Bort - 2020-04-19

"Is there such a things as having native American ancestry, seperate from culture?"

Well, yes. Is there such a thing as Native American culture? Of course there is. Is there such a thing as the Native American experience? Well that's probably more of a spread of experiences, but sure, there are some things that speak to having lived as a Native American and not, say, a white guy in Muncie Indiana. Note that none of that has a single thing to do with a 23 and Me test; that's why it's racist to make like genes are THE determining factor.

You don't like that I am likening Warren and Trump in that regard, but it's an unavoidable comparison. It also explains how Warren was wrong to even fall for Trump's 23 and Me challenge. I'll spitball what Warren's response should have been: "I am not beholden to Trump to take blood tests on command, and I have to say, it's racist as hell of him to be so concerned about whether I have 'Indian blood' in me. What's next, make people prove they don't have any Jewish ancestry going back eight generations?"

But then again, Warren had a history of identifying as Native American when it pleased her to do so. No, she would not be the first Oklahoman to do so. But I would not want just any ordinary Oklahoman to be president either.

"Yes, but your hypothetical is the reverse of what happened with Warren. She took the test and stopped makiing the claim."

The point of comparison was that Warren and I both had reason to believe we had minority ancestors, even though we're both white as fuck. It took me about one second of quiet contemplation to realize that no, it would be shitty for me to claim to be African-American. All it took for Warren was several decades and public shaming.

"Elizabeth Warren was quite possibly a 19 year old ingenue when she got this ball rolling, and stopping it may not have been so easy."

Then we should consider it a test of whether she can control her own destiny, and if she's so bad at it, perhaps she shouldn't have aspired to the presidency. And when she was at Harvard -- as a law professor no less -- she sure as hell understood that identifying as Native American factored into hiring and diversity issues. Again, if she didn't understand this somehow, then she was suffering from some form of undiagnosed brain damage for which she requires immediate medical attention.

"And I don't think it's worth knowing, at least in a discussion about her endorsement for Biden in 2020."

On this we fully agree. This is yet another example of our local Republican cheering squad trying to trash Democrats because somehow that makes them the most bestest of Democrats, or something. Remember when I was calling them out on their shit every chance I got, and people got mad at me for being so one-note about it? Turns out people should have been working with me to try to get them to knock their shit off. It's the next election cycle and they're steadfastly working to re-elect Trump, and I don't think that bothers them.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-04-19

Elizabeth Warren was quite possibly a 19 year old ingenue when she got this ball rolling, and stopping it may not have been so easy.


Nominal - 2020-04-20

Imagine being a person who sees how shit the country has become, and thinks Trump should be reelected because his opponent is endorsed by someone who once made an incorrect claim about their ancestry.


M-DEEM - 2020-04-20

Imagine being a person who would rather not have liars, sex offenders and the demented represent them no matter what dumb team they've dried up and clung to


SolRo - 2020-04-21

So you're not voting trump?


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