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Hazelnut - 2020-08-03

I might have missed something. Is anyone here “so enamored with” the people behind the Lincoln Project? I just enjoy their videos.


casualcollapse - 2020-08-03

The establishments always try to pit people against each other


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-03

If you read Rick Wilson's books, especially Everything Trump Touches Dies, you'll find a pretty reasonable voice that you certainly may disagree with occasionally ON THE ISSUES. It's not about identity politics.

Anyway, leftists like Cody and Colbert criticizing TLP gives them conservative credibility.


Crackersmack - 2020-08-03

If you read Rick Wilson's tweets, you find a guy that is very fond of George Zimmerman.


Scrimmjob - 2020-08-03

If you guys want to get really serious, start reading Rick Wakeman's tweets. He's got great tips on caring for a large collection of sequined capes.


Crackersmack - 2020-08-03

oh I don't think this group is too tolerant of 'progressives' like Wakeman


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-03

>>>If you read Rick Wilson's tweets, you find a guy that is very fond of George Zimmerman.

If you read crackersmack's posts, you find a guy who's not very find of using citations to make his point.

I can't argue with a point that hasn't really been made, but let me say at once that I am not very fond of George Zimmerman.


Crackersmack - 2020-08-03

https://twitter.com/search?q=zimmerman%20from%3A%40therickwilson&s rc=typed_query


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-03

Well there's no denying that is a link to something.


Anaxagoras - 2020-08-03

Cody's kinda off-base on this one. You could choose horrible policies from almost any Democratic president to prove the same thing about any Democratic operative. And he says that the Lincoln Project won't accept any responsibility for helping to create Trump, when in fact they already have. I've read an interview with one of the founders (I don't remember which one) where he flat-out states that he bears some responsibility for Trump, even though he opposed Trump as soon as Trump appeared on the scene.

That's not to say the Lincoln Project is A-OK & should be hero-worshipped. They're not. But Cody is taking a surprisingly nuance-free approach to this subject, which isn't warranted or helpful.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-03

"MEA FUCKING CULPA."

Rick Wilson, Everything Trump Touches Dies"


Binro the Heretic - 2020-08-03

No, the Republican party has been god-awful for decades and The Lincoln Project is an attempt to clean up their image.

Just as shitty rich people hate Trump because of his ostentatious lifestyle, Republicans hate him for his open racism & disdain for the working class. They don't hate what he does, just that he does it so visibly and draws attention to it and them.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-03

No, believe me, they hate what he does. They hate the wall building, the running up of the deficit, the trade wars, the endless corruption and shameless self dealing, the reckless attacks on the free press, the sucking up to brutal dictators, the weakening of constitutional protections. None of this shit is conservative,

And while some of them may have been willing in the past to engage in racist dogwhistling to win votes, it may be that we're starting to get past that. In the future , we should watch them, and also joe biden, carefully.


Meerkat - 2020-08-03

It may not be conservative, but man, it is Republican.


exy - 2020-08-03

fer the 'kat


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-03

Maybe, but its not conservative. it's not inherently dishonest or insincere for conservatives to reject trumpism.
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Nominal - 2020-08-03

All that matters is they might keep some Republicans home on elections day, or maybe even vote against him.

Discrediting that effort like this is as retarded as any of Crashtarjack's shenanigans like posting, "Look what this democrat said 25 years ago!"


Gmork - 2020-08-03

shit takes volume 2


Gmork - 2020-08-03

"enamored with TLP"

i highly doubt that described even a single person on this website


Crackersmack - 2020-08-03

JHM went out and bought the lincoln project nazi's book lol


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-03

Suck Mein Kampf, sugarsmacks.

I don't know what it means to be "enamoured" of The Lincoln Project, but what's not to love about a bunch of prominent Republicans savagely taking.down Trump?

And I love Rick Wilson's book. EVERYTHING TRUMP TOUCHES DIES is the funniest take down of trumpism available anywhere I know of.

But I am not yet convinced that Ronald Reagan is a great American Hero.


mon666ster - 2020-08-04

Oh calm down. I was just referencing that half the Hopper is TLP videos.


Maggot Brain - 2020-08-03

"Sorry about our current guy, not sorry about 25+ years that lead up to him."


betabox - 2020-08-03

Only 25+? Reagan was 40 years ago, and that's when it started hitting hard. But the Republican party has been butthurt about Nixon's fate since 1973.


Maggot Brain - 2020-08-03

Just a reminder that you can be socially liberal and politically conservative.


Crackersmack - 2020-08-03

in 2020 liberalism and conservatism differ only in how much they embrace idpol


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-03

If conservatives hate crackersmack, we may have discovered common ground.


mon666ster - 2020-08-04

Only if you don't actually care about the disproportionate effect your shitty conservative policies have on the people you're so socially liberal about.


teethsalad - 2020-08-04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nqcL0mjMjw


Gmork - 2020-08-05

:stares in collapsing capitalism:


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-03

Anyway, what is the controversy here? What is the fucking point? Should I vote FOR Trump because TLP wants me to vote against him?


Crackersmack - 2020-08-03

the point is that you're basically a Republican


Hazelnut - 2020-08-03

THAT’S your point? What a failure of a clown.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-03

I have voted a straight Democratic ticket for 44 years. I voted for Mondale, Dukakis, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton. In 1972, I passed out leaflets for George McGovern. If you can't tell the difference between me and a Republican, it's because you're basically stupid.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-03

Actually, you're just basic.


Anaxagoras - 2020-08-03

The main impetus behind the "Don't trust the Lincoln Project!!!" idea is that people are afraid that TLP will be treated as the "reasonable conservatives", and thus they'll be given a place at the policy-making table if Biden wins.

And it's not an unreasonable concern; they might in fact be cynically trying to reposition themselves so they can influence post-Trump policy-making. But I figure "Let the enemy of my enemy do their thing", and after the election we'll see if TLP continues to walk the walk.


Gunny McRifleson - 2020-08-03

Crackersmack, I literally never post but I signed in tonight to say two things 1) If JHM is a Conservative Republican, I'm Donald Duck, and 2) You are a shitty, transparent asshole. No one believes you argue in good faith and you are wasting your time. Seriously, there's like 20 people left at this site. WHY ARE YOU HERE ARGUING?


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-03

>>>And it's not an unreasonable concern; they might in fact be cynically trying to reposition themselves so they can influence post-Trump policy-making.

Well, OF FUCKING COURSE THEY ARE! Mostly, I think they're trying to shape the post Trump GOP, but that's just a particular way of trying to influence future policy. They're not just jerking off, after all.


mon666ster - 2020-08-04

What's sad is that JHM is obviously about 60 and still believes that Repubs and Dems are wildly different. Thank you for voting for leftist Hillary!!


teethsalad - 2020-08-04

trump's record is indefensible so they have to make biden unacceptable to the too pure for school crowd

by god, they'll demand the perfect be the enemy of the good until the sun explodes if it'll save their big wet boy


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-04

>>>What's sad is that JHM is obviously about 60 and still believes that Repubs and Dems are wildly different. Thank you for voting for leftist Hillary!!

What are you, 16? What kind of deep thinker still wants to throw shade because I voted against Trump?

If you can't discern the difference between Democrats and Republicans, you can't discern much.


jfcaron_ca - 2020-08-04

I give internet points to Anaxagoras for actually engaging with the topic instead of just flinging shit.


Marlon Brawndo - 2020-08-04

You can't be a Democrat if you don't side with a mob!


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-04

That's a valid point about Anaxagoras, but on the other hand:

I just watched two minutes of an unbelievably cringy Axios interview with Trump, and my god. Dear God in Heaven.


I think it's a sign of how caught up we are in habitual outmoded thinking that we automatically view with suspicion ANYONE who wants to get Trump out of office, certainly anyone who has friends and loved ones living in this country.

Crackersmack says that Bush was a worse president based the body count. Well, putting aside that all the bodies haven't been counted yet, Bush isn't on the ballot this year, so who gives a fuck? I always fiercely opposed Bush, but I'm not going to apologize to anyone, certainly not to Crackersmack, for being a little more intense now that my body may be eventually added to the count.

Whether you're a liberal or a conservative, Trump is destroying us. If you don't know that by now, fucking google it.


mon666ster - 2020-08-04

"Nothing would fundamentally change".

Hey, remember when Obama reversed everything Bush did? Remember when Obama didn't bomb 7 countries, prosecute more whistleblowers than every other president combined and deported more people than Bush? Me neither. Cuz Democrats may talk a good game, but in practice, they may as well be Republicans.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-04

Oh fuck you.

Some of these are valid criticisms of Obama, I guess, although "deported more people" is pretty misleading out of context. "People" is pretty general, no?

You're not going to prove a sweeping generalization with 3 or 4 data points about 1 politician. I agree, though, that some people are.just a little too much into Obama.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-05

Don't underestimate the value of talking a good game. There's a vast difference between denying climate change and acknowledging climate change. Electing a black president and nearly nominating a socialist for president are more cultural shifts than policy shifts, but cultural shifts matter. That's where change begins.

The difference between parties counts more than the difference between presidents. The presidency tends to have a corrupting/moderating influence on it's inhabitants. For one thing, the opposing party usually takes Congress at the next election cycle. Secondly, no one who occupies the presidency wants to be the one who gives away the empire. Well, no one until now.

In terms of policy, the difference between Democrats and Republicans in offices other than the presidency is more significant. Well, until now.

Trump is not a normal president. If he becomes a normal president, were fucked.


Crackersmack - 2020-08-05

Just out of morbid curiosity, what are the huge differences between Trump and Bush that make Trump something other than a 'normal' Republican?


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-06

That's an incredibly stupid question.


Crackersmack - 2020-08-06

Thought so.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-06

It's incredibly stupid because we're discussing the Lincoln Project. Was there a Lincoln Project for Bush, Bush, Reagan, or Nixon? Figure it out, dumbass.


Hazelnut - 2020-08-03

It’s heartwarming to see poetv has fully developed its antibodies against the “Don’t Vote” trolls. Everyone sees straight through them.


Marlon Brawndo - 2020-08-04

My two stars are for mainly the forum here. I just can't fucking stand this guy's voice.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-04

Oh fuck you.

Some of these are valid criticisms of Obama, I guess, although "deported more people" is pretty misleading out of context. "People" is pretty general, no?

You're not going to prove a sweeping generalization with 3 or 4 data points. I agree, though, that some people are.just a little.too.much into Obama.


Crackersmack - 2020-08-05

Obama deported a whole lot of people. He took what Bush was already doing and ramped it up, for what reason? To appease conservatives that hated his guts?


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-06

Suck suck suck my balls.


Crackersmack - 2020-08-06

I get it; the amount of people that get deported doesn't matter, family separation doesn't actually matter, children in cages don't actually matter.

With no job and no life you have all day in your attic to research these things, and you still can't be bothered.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-06

This is the oldest troll in the world. You're trying to give me homework.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-06

Trolls tend to use dumbed-down, reductive arguments. ("Biden and Trump are practically the same thing.") They're real easy to make, and involve going into greater specifics to dispute. The idea is to goad your mark into typing several paragraphs of research by typing a couple of reductive sentences, the minimum effort for the maximum effect. Evil Homer used to wind me up like this all the time.


Crackersmack - 2020-08-06

You're accusing me of exactly what you are doing. You can click on my comment history and see a long trail of very specific criticisms, including many on this video.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-08-06

What I'm accusing you of is trying to make me work while not doing any work yourself, which is trolling 101. But I'm being unjust, and if I am only willing to click through your entire comment history, I will understand how.

You really overestimate how sad and empty my life is. Did you know that I have Hulu?


casualcollapse - 2020-10-30

check out Future Man on hu;u


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