michael moore actually being right. this news guy is a turd. i'd encourage everyone who thinks otherwise to watch the 3 part Frontline documentary series "News War". Partictularly Chapter 1, Part 2

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/newswar/view/

Could the media have done a better job? Defiantly. Would the war have happened anyway even if they had? Also defiantly. When has this president ever cared what the media, or the public, or anyone thinks of what he's doing? The media could have been more responsible in the runup to the war but it's not like they were instrumental in making it happen.

Page one of the New York Times could have read "BRAVE REPORTER FINDS INCONTESTABLE PROOF THAT THERE ARE NO WMD'S IN IRAQ," complete with photos of Bush personally falsifying intelligence reports with a magic marker, and not only would the war have happened as planned, that "brave reporter" would probably have been strung up by the post-9/11 public.

Maybe with any other administration Moore would have a bit of a point, but to sit there and go "HURF DURF IT'S HARD FOR ME TO EVEN SIT HERE WITH YOU PEOPLE WHO HELPED KILL 3500 AMERICANS," is just ludicrous grandstanding. He's taking it out on them because he knows he's never going to get an audiance with the people who are really responsible. The media were tools in the runup to the war, but so was the entire goddamn country. And they've actually done a fairly good job of not letting Bush get away with too much since this blew up in their faces.

I like Moore's movies, but he's being an idiot here.

Your mouth says, "The media is complicit in our Iraqi adventure" but all I hear is, "Where's my burrito?! Where's my burrito?!"

Moore and people like him are largely responsible for lowering the standard of national discourse to the point where Bush sounded reasonable to many people.

Gonna let Rufus sing the song, cuz I can't prolong the key like he can..
http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=17503

Used to be Gun-ho along with this bean bag, now it's an ocean of shrugs. And i'm surrounded by tiny fat kids who are trying to punch my balls.

And I like my balls...

The weird and ironic thing is, both of the men are right. The media did NOT ask the appropriate questions for Gulf War II: The Revenge. They rolled over for Bush, plain and simple.

But it is equally unfair to minimize the bravery that most news reporters when they travel to war zones. It's a slippery slope, but I think it's an important dialogue that is not happening, even after 4 years of war and bloodshed.

Moore's central point is that MSM is very willing to repeat a party line. Being commercial media, they are defacto slaves to sponsors and management. Due to this moral flexibility, they have lax standards when it comes to standing up to a well-oiled propaganda machine like Bush II. Any presidential administration can go live on TV anytime they want. They don't need any extra help getting their voice heard. MSM wants to tell enough truth to be appearing credible, but not enough to actually make a difference. That's sad.

When will this fat turd have an infarction and die already?

Anyway, I'm pretty liberal (I'm Canadian and I routinely vote either NDP or lobbyist, for example), but Moore isn't really doing anything more than puppeting what other people want him to say while simultaneously promoting a movie which I, for one, heard about for the first time three days ago. I don't for a second think he's the left-equivalent of Limbaugh or Coulter; that's just conservatives trying to make it seem like they're not the only self-righteous bigots out there. But Moore doesn't want for hollowness.

If you look past the obvious attempts at slander and defamation directed at Moore, not to mention that he's no longer indie enough for this crowd and is overexposed, I think you can understand the point of what he's saying. So, just close your eyes and..i dunno...imagine some husky-voiced Brit telling you this instead of a fat guy from Michigan.

"Those men and women PUT THEMSELVES IN DANGER because they wanted Americans back home to know what was going on in Iraq"

to which the obvious followup question (and I wish Moore had thought of it) would be: "then why didn't they show Americans back home what WAS going on in Iraq?"

Moore is right. And it is less about who went to iraq and reported, but the questions not asked of the president here at home. The idiot interviewer is doing the same shit bush pulled, you can't question me because people are risking their lives. Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.