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SolRo - 2020-10-09

"something something if only she hadn't something something on a something in 19something then something something she would be worthy of not being executed by right-wing terrorists"


teethsalad - 2020-10-09

"AND THEY WEREN'T EVEN REALLY RIGHT WING!!!!!!!!!!!!1"


Chicken the Did - 2020-10-12

You know why one of the many reasons I am in this fight so hard? Because the Attorney general is on record now confirming what detained migrants had been saying all along. They are getting roughed up on purpose American prison system style "So they won't ever think about doing this again." With mistreatments personally sanctioned by the AG to cause as much psychological trauma as possible as a deterrent.

>>"But Obaaaama was doing this before it was cool! He had even more migrants detaaained!"

No, he wasn't going out of his way to try and make sure detained migrants were fucking -tormented- 24/7

To me the entire point of this thing is getting the standing president and his administration OUT. However possible. For the love of all that is good in the universe. If you abstain from voting citing one of the reasons some of these 'winners' mentioned you are a horrible person. The current administration is abjectly evil. Like everything they do is evil. They even manage to eat ice cream evil! They found a way to do it! So choosing someone who 'isn't perfect' and 'can do rotten things sometimes' Is a clear moral and ethical choice. Moral and ethical because the country is being currently ran by men whose morality spectrum lays somewhere between John Wayne Gacy and Ty Cobb. And by choosing people who are less than perfect I can make sure the for real psychopaths are ripped away from the levers they currently control. And with my vote I am going to make sure that I can do my part to ensure there aren't four more years of this shit. It's not politics. It's basic human decency.


BHWW - 2020-10-09

A handful of fringe dwelling fucktards got themselves "caught" with the help of several FBI "informants" so now it's time for supposed "progressives" to rant about how law enforcement and the domestic surveillance state need to be expanded even further.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/ 08/fbi-affidavit-conspirators-kidnap-gov-remote-wisconsin-location /5923989002/

The FBI affidavit is only 15 pages long; I suggest everyone read it themselves. As I guessed the instant I first heard of it, this pack of clowns is much like the "Huatree" "militia" back in 2010; a bunch of knuckle-dragging talking tough shit over a bar table. Stormtroopers, they ain't. They appear to skew more anarchist than anything.

The alleged mastermind was a homeless guy who had been living in a vacuum repair shop because the owner took pity on him and thought he needed a place to stay, and, if I'm reading the indictment correctly, the informant who discussed the "plot" agreed to the recording of a phone call in which the kidnapping plans were laid out.

In page 3 of the FBI's own affidavit: the "militia group" this pack of kidnapping-plot clowns first contacted for help actually volunteered to become the FBI's first informants against them, The FBI's own affidavit said the plotters *asked* the militia - not that they actually agreed.

This operation sounds awfully familiar to stuff the FBI has done before

https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/usterrorism071 4_ForUpload_1_0.pdf

The FBI pulls elaborate entrapment schemes constantly with a wide range of targets, from mentally unstable "radical Muslim" teenagers to purported right-wing militia groups, and so on, usually mentally impaired people and indigents, so they can pretend they are "fighting terror", it's the fed equivalent of firefighters committing arson so they have a fire to fight.

And of course, raving morons are ready to kiss the jackboot and demand the FBI be given carte blanche to fight the threat of :spins the Wheel of Threats, it lands on the space marked 'domestic terror'".


teethsalad - 2020-10-09

Arresting those who organize to overthrow elected state governments = unlimited carte blanche powers

Good to know, I will take you seriously now, thanks for playing


exy - 2020-10-09

What's that, you say? Radicals who conspired on the Internet to abduct the governor of a US state are not super-geniuses? If that don't just beat all.


SolRo - 2020-10-09

I for one support our police state turning some of their attention to right wing militants for a change. Civil liberty violations for equality!


Binro the Heretic - 2020-10-09

How about you shove Crackersmack all the way up your ass.


BHWW - 2020-10-09

Really awesome seeing people rack up 100's of thousands of likes on social media platforms fearmongering over one of the most pathetic FBI busts in a long time, just slurping that fed cock, just to desperately make it look like we have a rampant white terrorism problem. Right side of history. Way to sound like early Aughts Fox News-watching zombies dismissing people who were against Bush-era overreach like The Patriot Act: "Why do you love terrorists and hate America?!?!!!!!"

Such children, including Binro the reliable manchild going "omg the FBI told me these super scary dudes living in a trailer park got duped by feds into saying hell yeah let's go do a crime! I wet meself, I was so scared but thank goodness for the FBI!"

The thing of it is, the FBI probably didn't do it for politics, but for an equally base and venal reason: there aren't enough terrorists for them to get promotions, so they find people, including mentally ill people and get them to, to borrow a term, "fedpost". "I sure would like to blow up a building! Wouldn't you my good friend? Please speak directly into the giant flower in my lapel and ignore any static you might hear coming from it."

They will get awards and move up in ranks at their job because they did this. It just happened to be spooky scary militia men this season because they know that's the current hotness, what with all of the people convinced we have armies of white supremacists marching about in mighty columns around the nation - when it's convenient they'll go after some poor bastards who happen to be of Muslim extraction and bug them into carrying out an "act of terror" with phony explosives delivered to him.

Or in one case, a Cuban-born man with some real problems who began to identify as Muslim:

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/03/the-fbi-pressured-a-lonely -young-man-into-a-bomb-plot-he-tried-to-back-out-now-hes-serving-l ife-in-prison/

They've done this sort of thing to "left wingers" too, before and they will no doubt do it again in the future, but hey, at least the FBI is protecting us all from the threat of sketchy losers.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-10-09

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Two Jar Slave - 2020-10-09

Yes, BHWW, the terrorists making IEDs, doing weapons training, and spying on the governor's vacation home while messaging in explicit terms about kidnapping and killing her are the REAL victims in all of this.

If it walks like a domestic terrorist and quacks like a domestic terrorist...


Old_Zircon - 2020-10-09

Yeah, this sure looks like the facebook post of an anarchist to me.

https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Screen-Sho t-2020-10-08-at-12.00.25-PM-610x700.png

Anyway, fuck the boogaloo memers for ruining my Hawaiian shirt collection.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-10-09

Everyone's innocent until proven guilty, and I hope they get a fair trial, but
white guys who make threats on the internet are way down on my list of marginalized peoples.

>>>Really awesome seeing people rack up 100's of thousands of likes on social media platforms fearmongering over one of the most pathetic FBI busts in a long time, just slurping that fed cock, just to desperately make it look like we have a rampant white terrorism problem.

WHY DO I GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THE REAL REASON YOU'RE ANGRY IS SOMEBODY GOT MORE FACEBOOK LIKES THAN YOU?

Right side of history. Way to sound like early Aughts Fox News-watching zombies dismissing people who were against Bush-era overreach like The Patriot Act: "Why do you love terrorists and hate America?!?!!!!!"

THE PATRIOT ACT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHY WE NEED TO PREVENT TERRORISM: THE GOVERNMENT OVERREACH THAT FOLLOWS.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-10-09

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Hazelnut - 2020-10-10

Five stars for the same quasi-fascist shits who brought in the Patriot Act now trying to blame liberals for it.

Reminder that under fascist regimes authoritarian overreach and right wing paramilitaries are on the same side.


Cena_mark - 2020-10-10

To be fair, the Patriot act passed with wide bipartisan support


Miss Henson's 6th grade class - 2020-10-10

I might actually agree with you that the FBI has a history of bringing charges against a lot of maybe, possibly would-be terror actors that might not have actually been the concrete threats that they were portrayed as, but these guys had cased the governor's vacation home twice and built and tested a couple of bombs. Unless you can prove that the FBI sources were the driving force behind these little projects, forgive me for thinking that the Feds might actually have a decent case here.


Crackersmack - 2020-10-09

lol you all believe what the FBI says


Gmork - 2020-10-09

lol you have nothing


Crackersmack - 2020-10-09

the FBI found some retarded people, talked them into an idiotic criminal plot, and then arrested them for it and pretended like an actual crime was thwarted

this is what they do. the only difference is usually they do this to Muslims


SolRo - 2020-10-09

Well the whole “ignore the idiot and they’ll deradicalize and go away on their own” thing worked so well on you.


Two Jar Slave - 2020-10-09

Cracker, can you show us where the coppers describe egging on these Wolverine Watchmen to proceed further with their kidnapping/murder plot than they would have without FBI intervention? It's a damning claim, and I assume you're not just fabricating it out of thin air, right?


Hazelnut - 2020-10-10

Reminder not to engage with Ashtar/ Crackersmack — he’s a self-confessed troll who doesn’t believe his own bullshit.


Two Jar Slave - 2020-10-09

I'm sure there will be a race by lefties to pin this group on the right and vice versa, but I say forget about the tug-of-war for a moment and really drink in the aesthetics of the glorious Wolverine Watchmen. These stalwart standard-bearers for change, notwithstanding a few cosmetic changes, are every modern revolution in the making. Smash the status quo, smash the government, let the new civil war begin! Lead us to glory, Wolverine Watchmen! Onward revolution!


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-10-09

Two things that no one is mentioning.

1. A whole lot of this conspiracy happened online, in public. Its going to suck when criminals figure out that uploading evidence to 4chan is a bad idea.

2. Reportedly, it had reached the level where these guys were conducting surveillance on the governor's home.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-10-09

First they came for the Right wing militias, and I said nothing, because FUCK THOSE ASSHOLES!


Void 71 - 2020-10-10

No, first they came for the leftists in the 1960s (COINTELPRO), but then the left took power and did nothing to diminish the ability of the FBI to engage in dirty-tricks operations.

Then they came for the Muslims in the 2000s and arrested a bunch of retards who never would have done anything if undercover agents hadn't laid out bogus terror plots for them to follow.

Aside from watching the anti-war movement vanish the second Obama was elected, watching leftists fawn over the alphabet agencies because Brennan and Comey say naughty things about Trump has probably been my biggest disappointment. It cemented my opinion that democracy in America will never amount to anything other than red team vs. blue team.


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-10-10

Jesus Christ, you didn't just kill my joke. You beat it to death with a sack of doorknobs!


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2020-10-10

>>>Aside from watching the anti-war movement vanish the second Obama was elected, watching leftists fawn over the alphabet agencies because Brennan and Comey say naughty things about Trump has probably been my biggest disappointment. It cemented my opinion that democracy in America will never amount to anything other than red team vs. blue team.

But when the FBI stands up to Trump, that's a good thing, and its perfectly reasonable to support the FBI when they do something good, and to not support them they do bad things. And they do good things and bad things.

What matters here isn't who's right wing or who is a white supremacists. What matters isnt the bad stuff that agents have done in the past. What matters is whether these guys were planning a violent assault on an elected official.

If the Governor of Michigan was a staunch Trumpist, I might feel differently about the terrorists who were suspected of plotting to kidnap her, but how I or anyone feel about the alleged terrorists isn't what matters.


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