Here's the rub. I completely agree with what the ALF stands for: decent and respectful treatment of animals and veganism/vegetarianism (to a point). But they are simply the wrong, unwanted, unnecessary "radical posture" voice for that important message.

All they are doing is casting a negative light and essentially speaking for a larger group of vegetarians/vegans/animal right supporters who did not ask to be represented like this. They are the radical minority who try to inaccurately represent a mostly silent majority.

This is not civil disobedience. This is burglary, vandalism, and vigilantism. Breaking into a lab, even a lab suspected of torturing animals, is not the ALF's job, it is not the citizen's right or obligation. It does not use the democratic process directly, and will not change anything. Maybe it may expose a single outfit inhumane use of animals, but it will not address a systemic, wide-spread issue, like factory farming.

Are you retarded? Human Beings aren't ANIMALS, they're HUMAN BEINGS. It's right there in the name.

On the other hand, such a pragmatic person as yourself must realize that overpopulation is one of the greatest threats to the environment and our standards of living. Therefore, any activity that attempts to preserve and prolong our lives should be considered negative, and any act that promotes human death should be viewed as a positive measure in fighting the dangerous trend of population explosion.

With this in mind, why don't you just kill yourself?

there is no way to know if it will work unless you try it!
get to work johnny chimpstrangleseed
cyborg kitty will take your cheeseburger by outsmarting you. they have neural net processors, learning computers.
i can haz a mercy killing?
what's 12 inches long, purple headed, and will make my ex-wife scream all night? our baby dead in a crib after orem's tracheokitty stole its breath.
this was more disturbing than LSDkitty.

johnny chimpstrangleseed

Make your ad hominem attacks, I don't give a flying fuck. Fuck animals, human beings are suffering all around the world -- our own goddamn species. These ALF fools waste their time fighting for nonsense when they could be trying to end poverty or stop the war.

Look what you did, Xiphias.

Boring gay drama

I'm with Roachbud. I like cats, own a cat, but it's projection to think of a cat's suffering in the same terms as human suffering. A cat has no concept of cruelty or torture-- otherwise our sweet cats wouldn't disembowel adolescent rabbits and sit by purring as they feebly hop around in circles, squeaking pitifully (I've seen this more than once, unfortunately.)

If certain babies stop breathing because of negative punishment (Psych 101), that's something we damn well better know. All the cats in the world aren't worth losing a child.

I'll add that this particular researcher did seem a bit sociopathic, but that may be a fabrication of the video.

But but but ... EVEN HITLER?!?!?!?!11?!1/!?

So, Roachie, what are you doing to end poverty and stop the war? I mean, since it's so important you.

This video made me sad. It made Roachbud sad, too, but he'll never admit it because that would destroy this image we've all built up in our minds of him bench-pressing a semi-truck with one hand while killing waves of terrorists with the other. Also while this is happening he occasionally glances at his best buddy's bloodstained dog tags and dreams of revenge.

Afgh, I am the grinning like the vivisected cat who got the cream right now.

But... But... THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!111

For every monkey you strangle I'm backing a car up over one toddler.

My God, Roachbud, I... I think I actually agree with you. 5 stars for our new-found commonality!

LET'S STRANGLE CHIMPS TOGETHER, ARM IN ARM, LIKE BROTHERS AGAINST THE WORLD!!!!!

johnny chimpstrangleseed

You just quoted Penn and Teller. Enough said.

The best argument he could make was to quote Penn & Teller. Why even bother trying to reason with him?

Strangling all the chimps in the world will not cure AIDS, so the point is moot.

If you "support animal testing 100%", fuck you, you're an idiot. If you oppose animal testing 100%, well, I guess you're a compassionate person with clear moral standards, but fuck you too.

If you assume that human beings matter more than animals, you really have to assume that there is such a thing as necessary animal testing. But if you assume that torturing animals is bad, and that some corporations and soulless people think that money is more important than not torturing animals, there has got to be such a thing as gratuitous, useless animal testing. It's not always about human life being worth more than animal life. Paying a human subject to test your shampoo costs more than keeping a cat in a tiny cage, but it also produces information that humans will find more relevant and useful.

IIn the simplest terms, it should go like thiis:

people > not torturing animals > money

from what I can see, even this may be far more complex a standard than most interested parties are willing to apply to these questions. Is there a voice for reasonable use of animal testing, and reasonable restraint?

Dang

Actually it looked like a joystick connector. Which is even more f####d up.