"That's not funny. That's not funny at all"
It is dark as all holy hell though for a kids show. Unfortunately the middle part seems to be missing. Also, didn't the Joker shoot Batgirl in the spine, putting her in a wheelchair?
It was Alan Moore's The Killing Joke.
On a related note, I guess Jason Todd doesn't exist in any of the TV versions.
That was the only part that I didn't like. I'd expect the Joker to admit that, yeah, that was pretty funny.
|Syd Midnight |
Y'know, I just realized that the retro american element of these draws on the same inspiration as the Team Fortress 2 art.
|Rodents of Unusual Size |
This episode absolutely haunted me. Batman Begins was crap but what happened to Tim was unbelievably dark.
|Zhou Fang |
I miss the Timmverse Batman.
Jesus, that's nasty. Pity about the preview frame.
...isn't that the ADA from Law & Order doing future Barbara Gordon's voice?
|Dr. Lobotomy |
I remember the drama around the announcement about that movie getting censored. People with access to both the early preview versions and the censored one posting extensive grocery lists of stuff they removed or altered.
Went from Joker getting shot in the chest by a boy he tortured to insanity to Joker accidentally slipping on a puddle and falling backwards into electrical wires.
And Batman doesn't throw a knife at him in a fit of rage, and the whole home movies/torture segment is heavily cut and re-dubbed, and- my favorite example from this part of the movie- instead of questioning a couple of obvious hookers, it's a nice young couple out on the town for an evening of fun!
The rest of this movie wasn't too good but this scene is awesome
|K Clobber |
I remember when the pilot for Batman Beyond was released on vhs. I worked at a video store at the time, in the white-bread yup-centric Seattle district of Magnolia. All day long (I mean this literally) parents would come up to me asking "is this movie okay for my kids?" Not asking my opinion, not asking what facts I was aware of as a necessary step in creating their own informed opinions, but asking the question flatly, as though I had some kind of authority. I was a skinny, pimply 19 year old kid who worked in a video store. What the fuck did I know?
Apparently enough to spare them from having to take responsibility for their own choices.
When I was asked "is [the] Batman Beyond [pilot] okay for my kids?" I'd respond, "well, I've never seen it, but I know it aired during Saturday morning cartoons on regular tv, so I don't think it can be that bad."
Most of those parents came back within a few days to yell at me because it was too dark. I mean literal yelling. Fucking idiots. Then I thought to myself, if it's getting the douche-bags this riled up, maybe there's something to it.
And now you know the story of how I came to watch the Batman Beyond pilot and become a regular watcher of the show from 1999 through it's cancellation in 2001 or 2002. For a while there it was the best show on tv. Even at the time I was aware that such a truth spoke less to the superior merits of Batman Beyond than to the lack of merit in most other tv at the time. I know some of you didn't like it, and I don't care. I have a theory about you.
I saw return of the joker some years later. I wasn't aware that this scene had been censored. Even the version I originally watched was pretty hardcore compared with the cartoons I grew up with.
Thank you, Hugo.
You're welcome. Having worked at a Blockbuster for a while I can relate to having a clueless parent heap the weighted question as to whether a video game or movie was OK for their kids.
As a side note, the fight between Harley Quinn and Batgirl was edited so the clip would go under YouTube's ten minute time limit. And at -8:55 you see an early design for Black Canary.
If they introduce Robin in the new movie franchise, they'd better damn well kill him.
I like the uncensored version muuuuuch better.
Also, Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamil should ALWAYS be Batman and Joker.
I gotta say, Tim Burton got me going, but Bruce Timm really made me love Batman. He served up one of the most mature superhero cartoons ever and I don't think it's been surpassed but I don't really know what crap the kids are watching these days. I love and hate the fact that this movie was censored.
Now they're watching THE BATMAN. I've never seen it myself, but it has some magnificently retarded character designs for classic villains, the only marginally interesting one being the reinvention of Scarface as a tiny wooden Al Pacino instead of an Al Capone type. What they did to the Joker is a travesty, though, and the Riddler looks like fucking Marilyn Manson.
I have heard rumors about the pilot of BMB, are they correct?
What I heard was that during the scene where Batman pointed the the gun at the thug, in the orginal pilot Batman actually fires the weapon and kills the assailent.
Is this true? Because it would make more sense to have him suddenly quit as Batman because he broke his most sacred rule in an ironic twist of fate.
I just remember being shocked when Terry let his father's killer (or was it the big bodyguard?) fall out of the plane into the water. In my day, heroes not only didn't kill villains, they made a point of rescuing them whenever they were about to die from self-caused accidents.
When I was very young I used to get so mad at He-Man, because I knew Skeletor would just run away laughing at him, and come back to fuck with him again in the next episode. It happened every single time He-Man saved him from falling off a cliff or into a bottomless pit.
BMB allowing that fellow fall to his death gave me chills just a little, because I knew the days of watered down condescending tv superheroes were at an end. I felt the same when new Aquaman stepped on his brother's fingers and took back his trident, even though I stopped watching JLA soon after because it was such crap.
I'm more satisfied with these new hard-edged heroes, but I wonder what their influence will do to the current generation. Those old softy heroes are the only reason I have any sense of mercy at all.
Shame it was canceled.
I'm guessing it was because a lot of people were turned off by the image that it was a darker xtreme Poochy-fying "vision" of the cartoon.
|Dinkin Flicka |
I hope everyone knows that Batman Beyond can't top Batman the Animated Series and this movie can't top Mask Of The Phantasm. That shit back in the day was revolutionary. And while both shows had some misses, some episodes of Beyond were literally 95% explosions to electric guitars and probably 2 pages of shitty dialogue.
100% pure awesome. Too bad the days of cartoons breaking the barrier are long gone. TV has become the new babysitter and the networks will rue the day when sue-happy parents are in a frenzy cuz little Timmy did something he saw on tv, and its not the parents fault, oh no, its all because the bad men corrupted their perfect child.
|Caminante Nocturno |
Batman: Beyond Thunderdome.
|Tuan Jim |
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