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Caminante Nocturno - 2007-11-11

This must've caused at least one traffic accident or spit-take.


Roachbud - 2007-11-11

a true compassionate conservative


crote - 2007-11-11

I remember when this happened. It got taken way out of context. Someone made the argument that fiscal conservatives should be pro-choice because abortion decreases the number of people receiving welfare. Bennett responded by saying it's stupid to try and justify abortion by pointing out ways it indirectly affects social ills. The "abort all black babies" thing was just the rather unfortunate counterexample he used to demonstrate his position (or rather the supposed inanity of the position he was opposing).

There are many reasons not to like Bill Bennett, but this isn't one of them. To me this is just another example of the way interest groups and media twist minor gaffes to stir up self-serving controversy.


theSnake - 2007-11-11

He said the crime rate would go down, not the crime numbers. And if you agree with that then uhhhh...


crote - 2007-11-11

The difference between those two things being...?


helicopter cats - 2007-11-11

Wow. You're right. In context that makes a lot more sense. FUCKING MEDIA MOTHERFUCKERS!


Aubrey McFate - 2007-11-12

Dude suggested that aborting every black baby would reduce crime. It's like he gift-wrapped controversy and handed it to the media. He's not a victim here.


crote - 2007-11-12

Someone says: "We can reduce welfare spending by aborting the fetuses who are statistically most likely to become poor people."

Bennett responds by saying: "Well, yeah, and we could reduce crime rates by aborting all of the fetuses statistically most likely to be convicted of a crime, too. That doesn't mean we should."

Headline reads: "BILL BENNETT CALLS FOR HOLOCAUST OF BLACK BABIES TO CURB CRIME"

It was a stupid example and an even worse phrasing, but it's hardly the eugenics-fueled comment it was made out to be. I don't feel sorry for BB, but getting indignant over this is stupid.

This is assuming the point of contention here isn't that per capita crime rates are (for whatever reason) higher among blacks than among other segments of the population. If that's what yall are getting huffy about, I've got some bad news for you.


sosage - 2007-11-12

BILL BENNETT CALLS FOR HOLOCAUST OF BLACK BABIES TO CURB CRIME


Aubrey McFate - 2007-11-12

Your point was that it was taken out of context, but even in context it's not that great of a thing to say. Black people may be more statistically likely to commit crime, but the insinuation here is that that is tied in with their being black, not the social station or the culture they live in. Also there's the whole "genocide can possibly mean good things" part of it.

In any case, Bennett is an ignorant right-wing shill and he deserves what he gets.


Aubrey McFate - 2007-11-12

Oh, and if Bennett had phrased his statement the way you did then there wouldn't have been any trouble. Maybe you're just writing fanfic at this point?


Xenocide - 2007-11-13

If this were a simple case of out-of-context, Crote wouldn't need to make seven paragraphs worth of excuses for Bennett.

Unless Bennett preceded that statement with "If I were a stupid racist douchebag, I'd say something ridiculous like..." there is no possible context that can excuse this.


crote - 2007-11-14

I guess we just see it differently, then.

The more important issue: Is there actually Bill Bennett fan fiction?


Cheese - 2008-01-15

Bennet's problem was that he didn't say, "that the same could be true if you aborted all poor white babies too." While the percentage of crimes caused by blacks is higher, the actual numbers of crimes committed by whites is higher by sheer population. It's more a class issue then a race issue. The guy Bennet was quoting, the author of Freakonomics, ran as far away from Bennet as possible when this was an issue.


Monchiles Monchiles - 2007-11-11

+5 because I am a rascist bastard.


NineEleven - 2007-11-12

It's worth a fucking try


Maggot Brain - 2007-11-12

He got it all wrong, it's every mexican baby.


Rodents of Unusual Size - 2007-11-12

I love how some people retire from positions of power only to lose the grip they have on their tongues.


Xenocide - 2007-11-13

...not to mention reality.


Frank Rizzo - 2007-11-12

but then who will stand on the corner selling weed!!!!!!!?


TrafficCone - 2007-11-12

"...in a 1999 Slate.com online discussion that followed the release of a preliminary version of a 2001 paper by Levitt and John J. Donohue III, on which the argument in Freakonomics is based, Levitt specifically noted that "[n]one of our analysis [of abortion and crime] is race-based because the crime data by race is generally not deemed reliable." In a September 30, 2005, response to Bennett's remarks, Levitt reiterated: "Race is not an important part of the abortion-crime argument that John Donohue and I have made in academic papers and that Dubner and I discuss in Freakonomics."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200601190010


TrafficCone - 2007-11-12

It could be because, having kids that no one cares about increases crime, regardless of race.


IrishWhiskey - 2007-11-12

If you are talking about the Freakonomics piece, then Yes.

Bennet's mistake was using "black babies" as a synonym for "unwanted, poor, natural-born criminals."


Jeff Fries - 2007-11-14

Well how do we know if we don't try it at least once


Binro the Heretic - 2008-02-17

(blink)

He didn't just say...

He did?

...

Wow.


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