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Desc:We used to have Thoreau, now we have...Derrick Jensen. 'Dude, you can't, like, OWN land!'
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Tags:derrick jensen, ecoterrorism, the dangers of MFA programs
Submitted:oswaldtheluckyrabbit
Date:02/14/08
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Comment count is 27
garcet71283 - 2008-02-14

This man is brilliant in that he embodies every hopelessly idealistic idea humanity has ever had while failing to realize that at our core, humans are violent, carnivorous and greedy creatures and the reason for all of societies little nuances is to prevent us from beating each other to death with a hammer.


kingarthur - 2008-02-14

Cynical much? Not that I think the guy is thinking rationally or pragmatically at all, mind you. He's an idealist and the plain brutal truth of it is that NO ONE CARES.


dueserpenti - 2008-02-14

He's right, we should all just eat pigeons and berries. I ate some berries the other day and they were surprisingly good.


Hooker - 2008-02-14

I would like to five star this because of the laboured, insulting explanations of the most obvious shit imaginable, because it's also the biggest reason the education system is so completely broken.


Chancho - 2008-02-14

He charges per person to speak at an event. If I showed up and demanded free entry I'm sure he wouldn't call security.


Hooker - 2008-02-14

I'm sure has a much more conservative view on "intellectual" property.


fractured - 2011-08-05

I'm sure he doesn't. From what I understand he is somewhat anarchist-leaning, which would involve a resistance to all forms of private property (including intellectual property).


ZawBanjito - 2008-02-14

Fuck. I repeat: FUCK.


ChocFullOfFunk - 2008-02-14

I'm mostly five-starring this for the "the dangers of MFA programs" tag.


sosage - 2008-02-14

Yeah. This is the sort of shit you think about when you get evicted from your first apartment and have to go hang out in your Mom's backyard.


Dinky Patterson - 2008-02-14

I'd like to see him handcuffed to Sandy Davis.


EvilHomer - 2008-02-14

I was taking to an Indian friend of mine..."

A-HA! THIS GUY IS PREJUDICED! He said "Indian friend", and not "friend"!

Thanks poeTV. If I ever meet this guy in the street or at one of my homeopathy retreats, I'll know just how to put him in his place!


The Great Hippo - 2008-02-14

I'm torn. Should he be beaten to death with a copy of 'Walden' or 'Atlas Shrugged'? Because 'Walden' is just ironic, but those hard-back copies of 'Atlas Shrugged' can be fucking brutal.


EvilHomer - 2008-02-14

Why not both at once? You've got two hands, y'know.


zatojones - 2008-02-14

The fact that many of his points come to abrupt halts when he remembers a tangentially related anecdote or just trail off in mid sentence says pretty much all you need to know about him.


oswaldtheluckyrabbit - 2008-02-14

You can pay 100 dollars an hour to talk to him on the phone or over a webcam. I'm serious.


Roachbud - 2008-02-14

I like how he brings up a pro-slavery douche to further his arguments.


Senator_Unger - 2008-02-14

The long stares into space are perfect.

Also, this needs a "maaaan" tag


voodoo_pork - 2008-02-14

It's really easy to call this guy a hippie moron, but it's far more difficult to actually listen to what he's saying. This guy's not raving at the mouth, he's not shoving a pair or union-made, 100% post consumer hemp-flavored Birkenstocks in your face, but he's asking some pretty fundamental questions about the nature of property.

The marijuana-burnout brain hiccups don't help, though.


oswaldtheluckyrabbit - 2008-02-14

I fail to see any deep questions about the nature of property, unless "dude, you can't, like, actually OWN anything" is some kind of game-changing observation. The problem I have with guys like Jensen is, by suggesting that mankind would be better off as hunter-gatherers, they're basically saying that we should ignore our own intelligence and reasoning ability.

Each creature on this planet does what its own intelligence allows it to do and no more; if, say, a dolphin could build computers and an underwater dolphin society that could allow it to sit on its ass and watch some kind of undersea television, you damn well better bet it would. Dolphins don't destroy the planet because they're somehow more "moral" or in-tune with the planet then we are, it's because their intelligence does not allow them to. Does that mean that human intelligence is some kind of evolutionary mistake? Maybe. But it's impossible to know this. Giving up our astonishing ability to build and refashion the world is not the answer.

I'd love to throw this guy and Ray Kurzweil in a room together. Polar opposites of crazy.


The Great Hippo - 2008-02-14

I think we all figured out long ago that owning property is just a helpful deceit. But I read up on him (see: WIKIPEDIA), and I have to give the man credit for changing the discussion from "This Is How Things Should Be" to "How Can We Make Things Like That". It's rare to get someone this baked yet still interested in doing something.

Still, his ideas are fucking impossible. There are way, way, way too many of us to return to any sort of pseudo-agrarian or hunter-gatherer based culture. Outside of a horrific world wide pandemic that kills off 75% of the population, fucking our fellow humans over will continue to be the standard operating procedure.

Hell, I'm fucking a third world country over right now. Feels GRRRRREAT!


Hooker - 2008-02-14

I like where he suggested that nobody would go to a grocery store to buy a salmon if they realized they could fish one out of the river instead.


sosage - 2008-02-14

If only I could pay someone to fish it out of the river for me...


fractured - 2011-08-05

I think we see throughout history the ability for people to take control of their own lives and, in their autonomy, exist far less destructively than as coerced appendages to structures of exploitation (environmental or otherwise).

It's also really interesting how people bring up pot-smoking/hippie stereotypes in order to undermine Jensen's views when they're not really relevant to the argument being made.


Sean Robinson - 2008-02-14

TAKE TO YOUR GUNS PEOPLE

THE DARK CLOUDS OF PASSENGER PIGEONS HAVE STOLEN OUR SUN

FIRE UPWARDS WITH MOUTHS OPEN

LET THE BOUNTY FALL AND EXPLODE


themilkshark - 2008-02-14

OHHH it makes sense now. HIS MOM owns the land!


Feyd - 2008-02-19

Living in an area of never-ending dark clouds of exploding passenger pigeons has maybe warped his view of things.


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