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futurebot - 2008-05-07

So, uh, let's do the exact same thing we always do, and we'll call that our "Leviathan force", BUT we should also have a magic wand that does "everything else"! Now here is an extended Rumsfeldesque Powerpoint presentation to reiterate the point ad nauseum.


Whitewater5 - 2008-05-07

You don't get it, how are we supposed to expand our colonial holdings without a plan for quieting the irritable local savages?


longwinded - 2008-05-07

OK, it's not our business. But if you have even the slightest moral qualm about allowing an injustice to continue, then the shit going on in Sudan and North Korea should curl your hair. There are people in the world willing to use their power to abuse and oppress their people - why shouldn't we intervene?

And yes, I understand that it looks like colonialism - but look at Bosnia. That wasn't - and it was highly successful at reining in a genocide. If you want a better world, you have to make it yourself.


Whitewater5 - 2008-05-07

why shouldn't we intervene durr i dunno you heard of these places called iraq, iran, somalia, the phillippines, cambodia, vietnam?

your poisonous ideology is responsible for the ruination of millions of lives and you still blather about moral imperatives. choke on a dick and fucking die.


baleen - 2008-05-07


At this point it isn't a question of why we should or shouldn't. We can't. I am all for intervening in nations where atrocities are being committed. If all it takes is an arbitrary boundary to stop people from building concentration camps then there is something seriously wrong. McCain wants to be in Iraq for a hundred years? Ok, raise taxes to 50% and draft a million kids. He won't do that. None of these people will, so we should never have gotten into this mess in the first place.

We do not have the power to carry out the anti-fascist schemes of the Pentagon. The last eight years has been nothing but a racket. The people who started this war are richer, and now they are passing the war onto a democrat. The democrats will have to raise taxes to pay for it, and the process can be repeated in about 12 years after everybody has forgotten how we were manipulated by the greatest act of graft and embezzlement since the Spanish-American War.

I wish a Smedley Butler would come along and straighten everybody out.


Jeff Fries - 2008-05-07

Yes, too bad we don't have Maj. Butler around to soothe us with Twainisms about how war is just another word for pyramid scheme. He did live to see WWII after all!


Modern Angel - 2008-05-07

You guys are missing the point. Set aside political feelings about projection of American power (for the record I am vehemently against the Iraq War) and instead think of how one would do it "properly". That's why this is interesting. Barnett, for the record, is a registered Democrat.


futurebot - 2008-05-07

I'm not criticizing imperialism, I'm criticizing his ridiculous presentation, which nowhere actually explains how one would, as you put it, do it properly.

MAN IF ONLY OUR "LEVIATHAN FORCE" IN IRAQ HAD "SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS" TO BRING US FROM THE "BATTLE SPACE" INTO THE "PEACE SPACE"


Modern Angel - 2008-05-07

I think it's an interesting premise which hinges on the position that you cannot ask a 19 year old kid to go from killing machine to peacemaker and back again day after day after day. That basic theory, that you need to divide them into separate entities, I find intriguing.


oswaldtheluckyrabbit - 2008-05-07

This is a very truncated presentation for a non-military audience--there's a two and a half hour one on Google Video presented to the U.S. Naval College that goes more in depth into this.


oswaldtheluckyrabbit - 2008-05-07

I also like this guy because he's offering a workable liberal alternative to both Bush-style neoconservatism and Kissinger-realist foreign policy thought--the fact of the matter is that while the left likes to bitch about Bush's foreign policy (and they should; it's quite possibly the most incompetent foreign policy plan America's carried out in the past 100 years) they haven't offered any viable, well-thought-out alternatives.

In fact, the amount of Democrats who blindly went along with Bush's war plan is pretty depressing. They need to grow some balls and articulate their own ideas.


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