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baleen - 2008-09-27

Well, if the MSNBC polls mean absolutely anything Obama beat McCain in the debates, but he didn't really. Obama was his usual tacit, condescending self, and McCain was... McCain.

But still, people are really pissed off at Republicans in general, and that means they were giving Obama the benefit of the doubt despite McCain's deception and aggression:

CBS Insta Poll shows Barack Obama won 39% to John McCain's 25% with 36% saying the debate was a draw.

Insider Advantage reports those polled Obama won 42% to McCain's 41% with Undecided 17%

CNN reports voter opinions that Obama "did better" 51%, McCain "did better" 38%

The CNN poll showed men were evenly split, but women gave Obama higher marks 59% to 41% for McCain.

The CNN pollster noted a slight Democratic bias in the survey. Well, there just are more Democrats in the country. So more Democrats watched. However, this may also suggest Democratic enthusiasm which will help turn out the vote.

The MSNBC on-line (non-scientific) poll showed Obama winning the debate 52% to 33%. (But this is what one would expect from such a poll at MSNBC because of the nature of its viewers.)

Desidiosus - 2008-09-27

I don't find Obama condescending. I certainly didn't in the debate. He wasn't the one going, "Oh, you just don't understand," all the fucking time. That got on my nerves a lot. It's like being lectured by a high school counselor or something.

In any event, Cafferty called it like he saw it. I still cannot believe Palin said reducing taxes needs to accompany tax reduction.

Camonk - 2008-09-27

The debate was fairly even, I thought, and I'm a die-hard Obama partisan. It was really nice to see a debate between two speaking human beings forming sentences. I thought a lot of McCain's points were stupid or wrong, and I also found his (rehearsed) repetition of "Obama doesn't get it" to be condescending, but it was way better than any debate with Bush in it. Obama gave a lot of facts though, and showed a nuanced, developed understanding of foreign policy. He didn't get his clock cleaned on foreign policy and may, in fact, have won the debate. Really, just holding his own means he won because McCain needed a big foreign policy win, and he didn't get it.

IrishWhiskey - 2008-09-27

Obama won the debate by virtue of:

a. Demonstrating his foreign policy expertise and abilities as a leader (which people previously thought he was weak on)
b. Being calm and open, contrasted to McCain's clear hostility, both in style and substantive policy
c. Not only keeping McCain at bay, but actually gaining ground on the only issue MCain had left to try and come back with.

I agree that it was a pretty even debate in most respects. But the fact that Obama was standing even with McCain on foreign policy was huge. He jumped up 30 points on the "prepared to be president" issue with this one debate.

baleen - 2008-09-27

Of course *I* didn't think Obama was being condescending. He demonstrated what I thought a president should be like, which is articulate, level headed and polite, but that's not what Americans generally go for. Obama's "lack of passion" is why he chose Biden, who just had a speech in Pittsburgh that left people in tears (I actually welled up a little too to be honest) and it was about fucking FOOTBALL and his family car accident.

So I was judging it based on the most likely popular response to their performances, and I agree that it was even. They both got their swipes in. This debate won't make much of a difference.

fatatty - 2008-09-28

I didn't think Obama came off as condescending, but you may be right that it will be interpreted that way by some, because he uses big words and talks too long on policy sometimes (damn all that pesky substance).

McCain on the other hand was exceedingly condescending and I'm surprised it hasn't come up more. This debate was preceded with a new format which was supposed to have the two debating with each other by actually talking to each other. Lehrer did a bad job of getting the two men to spar, but at least Obama made the effort, and had the respect to look his opponent in the eye.

McCain never once looked Obama in the eye.

You can take that a few different ways. The most obvious is that McCain doesn't respect his opponent, and when combined with constant "my opponent doesn't understand", displays major condescension.

It's also very possible that he couldn't look him in the eye because he was having a hard time restraining his anger at his opponent, which from the look on his face is possible. And apparently Obama humiliated McCain earlier that day in the bailout meeting by asking a question to McCain which he knew McCain was too uninvolved to know. McCain refused to answer Obama, and apparently left the meeting early, alone, which caused them to cancel a bipartisan post meeting press conference.

And maybe, it's the most common human social reason for not looking someone in the eye: that you feel inferior or intimidated by that eye contact. Whatever the reason, it's not good. And I think people, if only on a base subconscious level, took note of that, which may explain the poll numbers in an otherwise fairly even debate.

takewithfood - 2008-09-27

Oh Wolf Blitzer, you glorified weather man.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2008-09-27

Jack Cafferty is mad as hell and ain't takin' that shit!

theSnake - 2008-09-27

Hmm, this election is going bad and we need to pander to our base of stupid people. Who can we get who is really stupid. I mean we need someone buttfuckingly stupid, so stupid that W looks smart. Hey remember when that miss teen bumfuck said we needed maps or some shit? Lets get a beauty queen! No, even better, lets get the runner up to the beauty queen. Lets get the one who wasn't as smart, pretty, or talented as the actual beauty queen.

HURF BLURF DUH - 2008-09-27

*Palin clip ends* ...pause... "You get all that?"

simon666 - 2008-09-27

yeah i loved that. then... 'dont make excuses for her. that was pathetic.' [paraphrased]

DMKA - 2008-09-27

Jeez Wolf, you need to grow some balls.

fatatty - 2008-09-28

He's trying to remain objective. And hold back the laughter.

godot - 2008-09-27

Logorrhoea or logorrhea (Greek λογορροια, logorrhia, “word-flux”) is defined as an “excessive flow of words” and, when used medically, refers to incoherent talkativeness occurring in certain kinds of mental illness, such as mania.

godot - 2008-09-27

Or, giving credit to her religion:

Glossolalia' is constructed from the Greek γλωσσολαλιά and that from γλῶσσα - glossa "tongue, language" and λαλεῖν (lalein) "to talk". 'Speaking in tongues' is the result of translating into English the two components of the same Greek word. The Greek expression (in various forms) appears in the New Testament in the books of Acts and 1 Corinthians.

Comrade Admiral - 2008-09-27

I see your wikipedia excerpts and raise you this one:

Cryptophasia is a peculiar phenomenon of a language developed by identical twins that only the two children could understand. The word has its roots from crypto meaning secret and phasia meaning speech disorder. Most linguists associate cryptophasia with Idioglossia which is literally the same, but also includes mirrored actions like twin-walk and identical mannerisms. Little is known about cryptophasia even with today's means of scientific research.

What we can can extrapolate from this is that the woman in this interview is clearly the evil twin, and has been keeping the real Sarah Palin locked in a basement for the past 15 years.

Quad9Damage - 2008-09-27

Some people out there in our nation don't have maps...

IrishWhiskey - 2008-09-27

"Well now, that is true. Many people do not own maps. And South Africa and Iraq are both countries. So overall a balanced response to a difficult question. Although some people may not consider it the best answer. Lets hear from one pundit who thinks she's Jesus, and another who wants to eat her eyes. Then I'll conclude by saying there are many views on the subject, and figuring out which one is right or wrong isn't a job for the media."

Mayberry Pancakes - 2008-09-27

Wolf Blizter is maybe the dumbest, most oblivious man I've ever seen on TV. Seeing him next to Jack Cafferty is a treat. Meanwhile, Sarah Palin sounds like a robot that's been programmed with a number of Republican talking points but doesn't know how to put them in any kind of order.

Debate point: McCain's "completely wrong" Boeing clip last night did not go over well with defense contractors.

simon666 - 2008-09-27

The "words words words words" comment someone left on a previous Palin video I think sums it up. I also nominate "words words words" to be an official tag for those who cannot articulate.

e-Sensei - 2008-09-27

She's supposed to know a little bit of this

StanleyPain - 2008-09-27

Cafferty is a little angrier than usual given that his wife just died.

The McK - 2008-09-27

Of all the ways Jack Cafferty gives me a semi, the way he says "Blahg" is probably the strangest.

wtf japan - 2008-09-27

You're all right, Jack.

Mostly Pi - 2008-09-27

Since none of our usual GOP trolls seem interested in spouting off on this one, I'll have to fill in.

More elitism from the left, trying to take away mah money. communist nazi, morning in america, the democrats have nothing. party of Lincoln and Roosevelt. You're all being sexist and why do you hate a strong religious female maverick? not change I can believe in. obama. terrorist. bible.

Desidiosus - 2008-09-27

Not bad. Roosevelt was a Democrat, though.

Also, I think it's like a law that Republicans always have to use Obama's middle name when referring to him.

Mostly Pi - 2008-09-27

You do know there were two of them, right?

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2008-09-27

You forgot about the fact that Sarah Palin is a mom and therefore more qualified to lead our nation!

up is down black is white dsghghsg;sdgs;gs;g

Cleaner82 - 2008-09-27

Two president Roosevelts!? You must think I was fucking born yesterday.

Mostly Pi - 2008-09-27

It's true;

Teddy, the Republican, was a rough rider and was always striving to better America.

Franklin, the Democrat, was a lazy liberal elitist who rarely even bothered getting out of his chair.

IrishWhiskey - 2008-09-27

One of them was a tree-huggin queer who basically started the whole business of government regulating business and interfering in the market, including even controlling the prices of food, drugs and transport to make it cheaper for poor people. He set aside millions of acres of potentially productive coal and gas land, for parks to protect spotted owls. He ran against the Republican candidate in 1912, and used the military for humanitarian missions, wasting our armed forces having them help treat yellow fever in backward jungles.

The other was the Democrat.

Secret Messiah - 2008-09-29

You spelled "mavrick" wrong

FABIO2 - 2008-09-27

Jack Cafferty is Major League's Bob Uecker of political talk. You can almost see the bottle of bourbon sticking out from behind the desk.

IrishWhiskey - 2008-09-27

Find out what Cafferty drinks and send a barrel of it to each of my other reporters!

Cleaner82 - 2008-09-27

Eventually instead of retorting Jack's just going to start slapping Wolf on the side of the head. And Wolf will respond with, "Eug! Ow, ow! I hardly think that's -- ow!"

Caminante Nocturno - 2008-09-27


Pillager - 2008-09-27

My God, she's the female Dan Quayle.

13.5 - 2008-09-28

It may be my youth as a Republican Revolutionary talking, but no way Quayle was this bone stupid about the most basic policy shit. I mean, Quayle's most famous embarassment is the nonsubstantive "potatoe." Palin's going to be remembered for "molecules" and shit like this.

fatatty - 2008-09-28

I love Cafferty. God Bless the man who understands that you can still be objective and call a politician's performance pathetic. It was, by any objective measure, a pathetic interview and specifically that question.

McCain would rather risk putting in place a completely unprepared panderdate than lose an election. Please let the world notice that.

Ahriman the Creepy Lurker - 2008-10-20

I love you, Jack Cafferty.

plaid_knight - 2008-10-24

Spot on.

kwash - 2009-12-05

I literally cannot pay attention to Sarah Palin when she talks.

I've watched this three times, and I still have almost no idea what she said.

It's like trying to look directly at the sun.

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