dichotic1  - 2009-04-13
oh the youtube debate...how it rages.
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charmlessman - 2009-04-13
But Life Is Precious and God and the Bible...
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pressed peanut sweepings - 2009-04-13
It's funny reading some of the youtube comments that claim they don't experience large chunks of nothingness when they sleep because their sleep is full of vivid dreams. Dream only occur during R.E.M. sleep, and of course you're not aware during the rest of sleep, so you don't know you're experiencing that nothingness.
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Xenocide - 2009-04-13 I'd just like to say, congrats on the most obscure Simpsons reference-name yet.
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La Loco - 2009-04-13
In this economy who can afford not to believe in hell?
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dead_cat - 2009-04-14 Are you saying they're hiring?
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Cleaner82 - 2009-04-13
I was always told that hell was not exactly a realm of eternal torture, but rather it was simply a realm totally without god. The 'torture' involved occurred simply because you had chosen to be seperate from him and this causes you pain. This was the Catholic party line, I couldn't speak for other denominations.
Also, I find it a little odd to speculate on what your psychological state will be after death, when psychology is a study of the brain -- which will be dead. Any 'soul' would exist on a different level, untethered by the meat of the body. So maybe you won't care that Gramma went to hell for that alchohol problem! Maybe you will be too engaged in the boundless rapturous glory of the Lord, your God, to hear her plaintive elderly wails.
Finally, a small note is that this idea that one is theoretically saved or doomed from conception is not a new one -- they call it Calvinism. Calvinists believe this, and so they kind of eye each other squintily looking for signs that they are -- or the other guy is -- 'saved' or 'doomed'.
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Cleaner82 - 2009-04-13 Actually they call it 'predestination', which Calvinists believe in. Forgiveness please!
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pastorofmuppets - 2009-04-13 As a Catholic I heard it both ways. Some people said hell was just a place that was far from God, some said it was a lake of fire.
But Catholics don't read the Bible. In the story of Lazarus and the rich man, the rich man begs for a drop of water to cool his tongue. Also, there are passages that mention torment, destruction and sorrow (everlasting of course), unquenchable fires, hopelessness, the stench of death, etc. Maybe it's all allegory but I'm sure the creationists believe it literally. It'd be a bit weird to be painting pictures of t-rexes with saddles on them, despite a lack of dinosaurs in the Bible, but then ignore the stuff that Jesus supposedly actually said.
I'm pretty sure that hell is just a room they lock you in with a bunch of Creationists and they try to convince you of stupid mythological bullshit for all eternity.
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Scrotum H. Vainglorious - 2009-04-13
Hell is like taking a shit through which the whole process feels like your shitting out a sideways facing football.
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Syd Midnight - 2009-04-14 Some scientist narrowed down Heaven and Hell's temperatures to the ranges where sulfur is liquid and gold incandesces, proving that Heaven is hotter then Hell.
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Xenocide - 2009-04-13
The second day of eternity is like sitting through the live-action Speed Racer movie one and a half times.
I like this guy. He's far more reasonable and less smug than folks like Dawkins, and thus more convincing.
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fatatty - 2009-04-13
I agree with him and that's why I don't feel the need to live my life according to some improbable punishment or reward upon death.
Unfortunately at the time of Hell's creation many people did need that. And there are still many people today who need that, so if that stops more stupid people from being assholes then I'm fine with Hell existing.
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Cleaner82 - 2009-04-13 I'm sure hell appreciates your permission YOUR MAJESTY.
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pastorofmuppets - 2009-04-13 For Protestants it's sola fide. You could do as many terrible things as you like, as long as you repent at some point.
Out of the seriously religious folks that I've known, a third were humongous assholes (guess you'd have to be to consider yourself "saved"), a third were decent folk, and a third were just looking for something to obsess over. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think hell is a deterrent.
I think your average person has a swirling mix of societal reinforcements, one of which is hell, that keep them honest. But if you just look at religion on its own you will see that most people who do terrible things just assume God is on their side. Or they actually do them in the name of God. So IMO it's a wash.
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pastorofmuppets - 2009-04-14
What he's saying makes perfect sense, but it's not like religion is founded on logic. Well, not a consistent amount of it, anyway.
For everything that he's saying about what God should or shouldn't do as an omnipotent being, one can respond with "we don't know God's will", or, "it's a mystery".
If Elie Wiesel can escape from Auschwitz with his faith intact...let's just say that you're not going to win this one, random youtuber.
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