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Desc:WWII Yokozuna Futabayama. From 20's - 40's. Still holds the longest winning streak w/ 69 matches.
Category:Sports
Tags:Japan, sumo, sumo wrestling, sumo week, futabayama
Submitted:teethsalad
Date:08/11/09
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teethsalad - 2009-08-11

"After his retirement Futabayama revealed he was actually blind in one eye, due to an injury suffered in his youth, making his achievements even more remarkable."

and his winning streak happened when they only had two tournaments a year, as oppossed to the 6 they have now


socialist_hentai - 2009-08-11

did i mention i love you?


j lzrd / swift idiot - 2009-08-11

Teethsalad, I like you. You bring us sumo videos and neato-keen(C) history segments. Are you Japanese or something, or just interested? Oh it doesn't matter. I like you.


teethsalad - 2009-08-11

i am white as fuck and i grew up in iowa, and sumo was everything i liked about wrestling and everything i liked about football. was hooked by a national geographic tv special in 1996.


teethsalad - 2009-08-11

also knew a guy with a huge rotating satellite dish who i'd get to tape tournaments of the nhk feed @ 2 in the morning


Document - 2009-08-11

Awesome shoulder throw at 3:03. Also: 7:27, musclebound fucker gets upsided by chunky monster.

Sumo week has conflicted me. On one hand, I enjoy sumo. On the other hand, watching so much sumo has made me nostalgic for the more "soft" / passive forms of Chinese boxing.

This kinda feels like the state martial arts at the moment: two dudes smacking into each other for ten seconds, entirely practical and aesthetically stripped. Not knocking sumo, just saying.

WHAT'S YOUR TEN CENTS.


j lzrd / swift idiot - 2009-08-11

Haha ten cents because sumo is fat.

Okay, I'll bite. Sumo is two dudes smacking into each other for ten seconds, entirely practical (if you eat like an elephant and pump iron like a forge crucible), but I'll be first in line to defend its aesthetics. Let's not forget all of the very very traditional aspects of sumo; all that rocksalt-throwing and ceremony and the referee dressed like some wacky Chinese priest or something. In that sense, Sumo Style Wrestling, which is basically just unarmed pushing and tossing/throwing, has a leg up on the shit popularly known as M.M.A, which is truly what you're thinking of "entirely practical and aesthetically stripped." Let's just call it Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and be done with it.

Let's look at this whole "What Is Best" argument with the caveat that I see conflict, and fighting, and the whole slappy-slappy-punchy-punchy-knifey-knifey behavior in general as rather childish: Fighting is Stupid, and something Dumb People do because they can't resolve their problems through the pragmatic application of diplomacy and negotiation. I'll also admit it's a childish viewpoint on my part, but it informs my whole argument, RE: "What Is Best"

Since we are social creatures, and fighting among members of ones immediate society is by its nature antisocial behavior, to what right does the best fighter in a group claim superiority in any shape or form? But we're competitive, naturally, so there's sports. And even though there might not be too thick a line between Mike Tyson and some thug cold-clocking someone in a dark alley, there is a world of difference between the latter example and, say, sumo, or Tai-chi.

The point being, no matter how irrational fighting is, being who we are as people, some people are going to do it anyway, probably for a long time to come. My view has always been that fisticuffs should be phased out of society, but since that ain't happening soon, I'll settle on methods of fisticuffs that are soft, and ritualize the violence in a controlled environment.

But then, we have this Octogon Gracie Hug-Jitsu Faux-Tribal Tattoo Mouthpiece-Sucking nonsense, that boils down to what two angry guys who want to fight in their boxershorts look like without eye-gouging, nostril-hooking, mandible-wrenching, head-butting, testicle-slamming, hair-grasping, throat-clenching, nose-biting, and other fun stuff not allowed, with a ref, and a safeword (the safeword is tap).


That isn't what art looks like, and it's also not what martial looks like. One looks like ballet, the other looks like three dudes and a tank.

So I'll take my sumo ballet, thankyou. And fuck M.M.A.


Document - 2009-08-12

Totally agree with you re: sumo aesthetics, so there's no further use butting heads over that ground. In fact, I can't really find any problems in anything you said. And you said it well! Go you!

In a way, MMA is the logical progression of a certain brand of thought in the martial arts world: take the practical stuff, shelve the rest.

Kicking hit the backburner pretty quickly, as everyone in the octagonal ring immediately went into grapple-mode and distance between fighters became a rare element, then striking in general went right out the window unless it was a short stubby knuckle to the face. MMA is pretty much roll-on-the-floor fest by now. (It'd actually be interesting to see how a school like hung gar, with its emphasis on horse-stance and eyeball-plucking, would fare in MMA. I'm guessing it too would come down to choke-or-tap.)

That sucks for a lot of reasons. Women are pretty much banned from competition, cause that White Crane stuff is just high-larious, and for something calling itself Mixed Martial Arts the only shit I see when I watch it is a homogeneous pile of the same old chokes and grapples over and over again.


Document - 2009-08-12

Uh, meant as a reply to j lzrd. Fuck.


j lzrd / swift idiot - 2009-08-12

"Kicking hit the backburner pretty quickly, as everyone in the octagonal ring immediately went into grapple-mode and distance between fighters became a rare element"

Someone said kicking a guy in the face is like punching them in the knee. I am still not sure that's right or wrong.



"a homogeneous pile of the same old chokes and grapples over and over again."

Two Angry Guys Nobody Wants To Be Friends With(C), in boxer shorts, grinding each other up. "Homogeneous pile" indeed. OF MEN. I'd rather see bowling than M.M.A.


Document - 2009-08-14

"Someone said kicking a guy in the face is like punching them in the knee. I am still not sure that's right or wrong."

Depends what school you belong to. In essence, though, kicks to the face will always be more stylish than substantial because the guy you're kicking probably has a pair of testicles. In pretty much every form of Chinese boxing the balls are THE place to aim for during a fight and the most practical place for your foot to go. It's like Man Kee's dilemma in Sour Sweet: Lily teaches her son to punch the schoolyard bully in the throat or kick him in the nuts, Man Kee does, the teachers at school get angry at him for "fighting dirty" and Lily's sinocentric mind can't comprehend the concept. Why WOULDN'T you aim for the balls?

(Yet another reason MMA sucks: MMA is an altar of "practicality", "reality", yet they ban the very basics - aim for the eyes, aim for the genitals, aim for the teeth and the nose and whatever orifice you can get your fingers into, the raw and nasty baseline of animal aggression that every martial arts form east of Queensberry in based on.)

Also: kicks to the face leave everything from the ankle to the throat open, so if you adhere to the quartering theory you're fucked. I think the high kick has more of an internal / acrobatic function, anyway.


j lzrd / swift idiot - 2009-08-18

Basically all of this talk and conjecture is why I'm an avid student of the school of Jeet-NotFighting-do. Mine is the style of not fighting, without fighting.


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