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Jet Bin Fever - 2012-02-08

Well that doesn't seem very difficult or time consuming at all. If I only made about -50k more a year maybe I could live the culinary douche lifestyle and make all my friends hate me when I talk philosophically about how much better my bread is to their stupid store-bought garbage.


kennydra - 2012-02-08

COOKING IS HARD!


Oscar Wildcat - 2012-02-08

You speak from a core of confusion, JBF. A man just ain't a man unless he can make the Staff of Life. It's not hard, it develops serious hand strength ( improve your guitar playing ) and it makes the ladies weak in the knees when you bust out a fresh baked loaf. Trust me. Plus, it's 1/4 the cost of store bought.


Jet Bin Fever - 2012-02-08

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against cooking and enjoying what you make. I just think there's a level of pretentiousness that comes with all this modernist cooking stuff. Sure it's flashy and interesting if you own a restaurant, but doing at home with a ton of appliances and rare ingredients is just so douchey somehow.


Oscar Wildcat - 2012-02-09

It's loathesome because cooking is an art, not a chemistry experiment. Sperging over the number of grams of cheese to use entirely misses the point. You never see this guy dip his finger into the mix, and say "Hey I think this needs more gouda". If you're not getting your tongue in there, you ain't cooking.


Hooker - 2012-02-09

No, it's loathesome for two reasons. First, it's over-complicating a grilled-cheese sandwich or an omelette or a rum and coke, which makes the people seem completely humourless and self-absorbed. The second is that it carries with it the implication that the author is finally fixing a recipie that we all know and love.

It's the same feeling of rage when you see someone speaking like Harold Bloom talk about how awful your favourite song is.


chumbucket - 2012-02-09

Give me a couple slices of Wonder, butter and enough Velveeta with an old pan and I'm done.
I'm completely with your take on this JBF. Reminds me of a clip I saw about a place that makes and sells a 0 philly cheesesteak sandwich which uses Kobe beef and truffles for christ sakes. Ridiculous.


Redford - 2012-02-10

I enjoy to think I dislike CHOW and this guy's cooking equally. A sandwich is delicious because it has the elements in it you like, and it is in a quantity that you enjoy. It has nothing to do with the exact number of grams of cheese.

I would like to point out that at the end, his daughter's reaction to the sandwich was not visualized.


Fezren - 2012-02-08

His technique for cooking a grilled cheese sandwich is all wrong.

I know your mother used to butter the bread like that, but leaving the bread unbuttered and adding clarified butter to your hot surface of choice before placing the sandwich is a far superior technique. Anyone who disagrees either hasn't tried it or failed to execute it.


Cheese - 2012-02-08

This is the god's honest truth.


Old_Zircon - 2012-02-09

Thirded, I only just learned this myself.

Also, who the fuck grills with Velveeta? If you aren't going to use real cheese just stop fooling yourself and use slices of American.


pastorofmuppets - 2012-02-09

He is doing it all wrong, at least according to... Chow.

http://www.chow.com/food-news/55147/how-to-make-grilled-cheese -with-laura-werlin/

Recipes for grilled cheese are like designer jeans. They miss the point. That said, I'm sure this stuff would make a great fondue.


Fezren - 2012-02-10

Regular butter has milk solids in it that will burn if you add it to the pan. You have to use clarified butter. At the proper temperature, the bread will fry up crisp and dry without soaking up too much clarified butter.

Buttering the bread is simply improper frying technique. It guarantees that the bread will soak up the butter and become greasy, and it will also soak up the percentage of water present in non-clarified butter when it is released as steam, causing the bread to become soggy.

When the lady in that Chow video squished the sandwich down and put a lid on her pan I couldn't believe it.


StanleyPain - 2012-02-08

It's all fucking burned, what the hell...
And, just me personally, but I hate grilled cheese sandwiches made with thick bread like that.


pastorofmuppets - 2012-02-09

If we're going to get technical... thin white bread, American cheese, lots of butter.

Allowable substitutions:
- yellow cheddar, if the queen of England is visiting
- individually wrapped slices, if you have the means and want people to know it


HotwaxNinjaPanther - 2012-02-09

I hate any sandwich made with thick shoe-leather bread like that. It's not going to give when you bite into it. It's just going to squish down and send the sandwich innards all over the place. I don't want to eat something like that if it's going to turn into a battle.

That's soup-eatin' bread.


Hooker - 2012-02-08

I'm a huge cooking-with-a-scale fan.

That's so interesting. I'm going to use the washroom really quick.


godot - 2012-02-08

European cookbooks are mostly in grams. I've got a little kitchen scale for dealing with them.


sosage - 2012-02-08

So...is "modernist cooking" just "measuring shit and throwing it together in a pot" then trying to sound like you're the front runner of a culinary revolution? Cause I'd swear non-modernist cooking is the same exact thing.

As for technique, I flip flop between buttering the bread and utilizing no butter at all to try and let the cheese oil seep in and do the work. I am not a chef or a bouncer.


Snakeweapon - 2012-02-08

Based only on the term "modernist cooking technique" I was hoping for a more Joycean approach wherein all ingredients have incomprehensible names and a squinty narrator disappears from view to compulsively masterbate/flagellate as the story unfolds.

Sadly, it's just a guy who feels guilty about liking Velveeta and accidentally conflates the terms 'modernism' and 'new' (sic).


godot - 2012-02-08

A lot of it is just introducing techniques and ingredients from the processed food industry (the sodium citrate and carageenan here) to restaurant/home kitchens.

Some of it like cooking meat sous vide (in a sealed bag in a warm water bath for very long durations, which allows much better control over the doneness/juiciness of a meat cut) are wholly impractical for processed food, but fine for home cooks who plan 24 hours ahead or restaurants that can charge accordingly.


Cheese - 2012-02-08

I like to watch this kind of stuff thinking it's all a joke.


Jet Bin Fever - 2012-02-08

This video has a lot of you in it.


1394 - 2012-02-09

Pfff, cutting cheese with a chef knife.


Amateur.


The Mothership - 2012-02-09

cooking with the anal retentive chef.


kingofthenothing - 2012-02-09

To me, he missed the most important element of all - tomato soup. That's just me, though, and that's just because that's what my granddad always did and he was one of my favorite people. Maybe it's not even about the tomato soup, but the fact that this video didn't have anything comforting or heartwarming about it. Sure, they show what we presume to be his daughter at the end, but that doesn't mean there was any love shown during the process.

He seems more like a junkie feeding an addiction, revealing the paraphenalia, enacting what amounts to a ritual, complete with payoff at the end, and then "oh hey by the way this is my kid."


Billy the Poet - 2012-02-09

How To Make A () Grilled Cheese Sandwich


BillLumbergh - 2012-02-09

this man is the Emerson, Lake & Palmer of cooking.


TeenerTot - 2012-02-09

I have no problem with a little science in the kitchen. But when you take a 5-minute comfort food and turn it into a 3-hour deal, you've lost me.


That guy - 2012-02-12

Word. Cooking science itself is most excellent.

But thank God for those "Science Packets", am I right, because cooks never had a way to thicken things before Nathan Myhrvold came along, what with his Modernist Cooking and his patent extortion and all!!i!!

Also what jreid says below about Alton Brown, who manages to be sciencey and artsy and reasonable about food all at once, no mean feat.


jreid - 2012-02-09

Alton Brown makes a 300x more tasty looking and less pretentious grilled cheese:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agBybOzLJoo&t=7m59s


Spike Jonez - 2012-02-09

He'll eat Compte cheese. That says it all. That shit smells like the worst glob of toejam you ever extracted from under a toenail.


TeenerTot - 2012-02-09

I dunno... I've had Bierkase.


BillLumbergh - 2012-02-09

by the way, there is nothing pretentious about this approach to cooking. it is worse: soulless, formulaic, boring. you know what you get all the time. this guy is no chef. he's a super villain.


cognitivedissonance - 2012-02-09

I want to put this guy and Simply Sara in a very small room and video tape it. A very, very small room.


Bort - 2012-11-30

I've taken to using those non-stick ceramic pans, they rock for grilled cheese sandwiches.

Gonna find me some clarified butter and try that too.

And of course, grill both pieces of bread at the same time so you don't have to flip your sandwich, you just put the two pieces together and serve. It certainly minimizes butter soakage. This also allows you to easily put a slice of tomato in the middle, maybe some basil too.


Bort - 2013-07-08

Screw the clarified butter, "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" spray on the pan works even better. That way you use only a very light coating of grease, which is enough to fry the outside layer of bread without soaking in. You have to watch the temperature carefully, though: without all that grease the cheese doesn't melt very readily, so getting the pan hot enough without instantly charring the bread takes some experimenting.


duck&cover - 2023-08-01

Gourmet Velveeta. Goddamn.


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