Hey, cut cog some slack, ehay eadray aynA andrA.

I've got plenty of slack for him, but this movie is such a mess.

Yeah, this was the lowest point of Burton's career.

It was, however, the high point of Prince's career!

Oh, come on guys. This is as silly and fun as anything with Cesar Romero. It's a fond comfort food of a movie.

Nicholson brings it.

Jesus Christ, this was shocking.

It's like a network identification shown between Tiny Toons and Animaniacs in every single way.

I thought it was pretty good in the theater but I've never once successfully sat through it since then, not even back in the 90s.

Honestly, even Edward Scissorhands has lost me at this point, you can already see things going wrong there. Tim Burton will always be Pee Wee's Big Adventure and Beetlejuice to me, I could live without the rest of it (except Mars Attacks but that's more for contrarian reasons than anything else). I loved Scissorhands as a kid but grew out of it pretty quickly.

When I first saw it, it was wonderful, one deft visual surprise after, another, pop pop popping right along. When you've seen it a few times, and the surprise is worn away, you become uncomfortably aware of the stock characters, the conventional exposition, the obviously staged shots of a stunt person tumpling over a railing and off a balcony over and over.

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!!!!! Ed Wood !!!!!

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Ed Wood was the first Burton movie that really disappointed me at the time it came out. It wasn't BAD exactly but there was something about it that was jut kind of flat. I was really in to Ed Wood back then, though, and had already read Nightmare of Ecstasy twice and wasn't disillusioned with Burton at all yet, so I had really high expectations. I should watch it again some time, I might like it better.

Idiots say all sorts of stupid shit. Many of them probably weren't even alive when it came out, but even as a child of 9, I was appalled at how many people Batman was obviously killing within it.

BvS is just reaching a whole new generation (though it's even less aimed at nine year olds than this one was).

Even as a kid when this came out I remember thinking how stiff the fights looked and how obvious it was Batman was swooping that he was on a wire.

There's an easy litmus test for determining the one true Batman movie, and it's the presence or absence of shark repellent batspray.

The fights looked terribly stiff because Batman's costume was. Keaton was basically wearing a neck brace with a hood and cape, so it's all he can do to fecklessly jab dudes and throw them over rails. As well, Burton doesn't strike me as much of a fight choreographer.

As flawed as it is, though, it still holds up better to repeat viewings than the Nolan films.

Bat-Repellent Shark Spray, or Repo Man's Tracey Walter as Henchman Bob? It's a toss-up

This clip is sadly missing the first half of the scene, where Joker nerve-gases the entire museum just so he can have a quiet interview/dinner with Vicki Vale there.

A joke needs a punchline AND a setup, people!

^ this

kind-of trashing a museum is a pretty banal crime when they cut the scene to let you forget that he is stepping over a bunch of dead bodies.