FUCKSHIT

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Auuuugghhhhhhhaaaaaww

Hooly shit. You're all welcome to stay at my place for a while until you can find new countries.

indeed

Fucking with us, or fucking at us?

Or it may not be 4 years, if he goes on a tantrum anywhere near the launch button because some foreign leader said mean things about him.

No way baby, you know we're getting eight glorious Trumpious years of America being made great! Again!

No really, when is the last time a sitting president didn't get re-elected for his second term? Bush Sr?

Maybe in 2018/2020 apathetic democrats will realize they have to actually cast a vote in the election for their respective leaders to get elected?




DON'T LAUGH!

You're right, they can still build ED-209 first can he can shoot up the white house!

"Maybe in 2018/2020 apathetic democrats will realize they have to actually cast a vote in the election for their respective leaders to get elected?"

I'll wait until I see the turnout rates before I go off on a tirade about low voter turnout.

In the meantime, it comes down to this: most Americans seem to like what Trump had to offer. As far as I can tell (thus far) it wasn't because Democrats didn't show up, nor does it look like Jill Stein siphoned off a significant number of votes. This one seems to come down to, more people liked what Trump brought to the table.

I'll bet right now that young, white dem. voter turnout is going to be low, because they all got Sanders in their vaginas and 'fuck politics', etc, etc. ('and it's not like Trump would be so bad - for my white, straight, upper-middle class ass')

I'd also like to pin some of the blame on educated republicans that know trump is horrible but didn't have the balls to vote Hillary because of partisan vitriol.

I'm sure Sanders is going to take some blame for this. I don't know how many people he persuaded to never ever back Hillary, but he certainly prepared some ammo that Trump was happy to use against her. Not sure it hurt her much, but it isn't a good look when we're trying to figure out what went wrong.

Fairly or unfairly, Sanders is going to be remembered as The Mistake We Dare Not Let Happen Again. It didn't have to be that way.

And the fascist cocksuckers in the FBI deserve some blame as well.

Well at least this election proves that The Establishment really isn't an all-powerful force that determines ahead of time who the winner will be; this really did come down to voters voting and the collective will of an idiot nation, and no amount of money thrown at this campaign or that was able to change it.

It's also a reminder of how fucking dumb "the experts" are. "Don't be spooked by the experts" as Orson Welles said.

So, like 110 out of 114 polls were wrong, exit polls are wrong, EVERYTHING is wrong? Not sure how an election could be hijacked from coast to coast without leaving a trace, and it sounds implausible.

>>>I'm sure Sanders is going to take some blame for this. I don't know how many people he persuaded to never ever back Hillary, but he certainly prepared some ammo that Trump was happy to use against her. Not sure it hurt her much, but it isn't a good look when we're trying to figure out what went wrong.

Fairly or unfairly, Sanders is going to be remembered as The Mistake We Dare Not Let Happen Again. It didn't have to be that way.

I don't blame Bernie. After Hillary got the nod, he was all in for Hillary. That's all anyone can expect. I do blame his more obnoxious followers. And fuck you, Jill Stein.

The experts are usually right on this stuff. But this is a different race. This isn't a politician, it's a TV star.

JHM, the experts don't, and this is an atypical race but every president since Nixon lost his first bid because he didn't shave well enough has been a TV star.

Good point as usual, OZ! But I should add that, in this election, Hillary was the TV star. Trump was the internet star.

Internet wins.

Also, JHM - the "experts" were wrong, because the experts aren't actually -experts-, they're -propagandists-. They told you, not what was true, but what they wanted you to think, for the sake of furthering their own agenda. And now the gig is up.

Internet wins.

That's true, actually.

This was undoubtedly the first true internet-age election, where the Internet had more influence than television, which is why I always suspected this was a likely outcome (although I had hope in the last month because I let myself actually believe polls mean anything despite a lifetime of experience to the contrary).

Politics hasn't been degraded so much since cable news became the dominant force in electoral politics, which was the most it had been degraded since television usurped print.

But Internet does not win, if there's one thing anyone on here should know it's that when you argue on the Internet everyone loses, and this election is that on a grand scale.



Well, everyone loses except Peter Thiel.

You're confusing "people" with "the internet". "People" always lose, regardless of the outcome; that is the nature of modern politics. The Internet, however, is clearly winning.

Or anyone that can work an IRC client or webpage.

https://webchat.freenode.net/
#poetv

you kinda suck, d00d

at least somebody gets it

"I hate everything but I'm too cowardly to say why!"

~waugh

Any predictions for what the ultraconservative fucktard Trump gets seated will allow?

I'm going with legalizing tax-exempt religious institutions to campaign, spend and raise money for politicians.

And just straight up legalize bribery...

Abolishing term limits.

Abolishing the Miranda warning on the grounds that "we've all watched enough TV to know it by heart".

Repealing the 1st and 4th Amendments seems to be high on the priority list.

No worries though, they're going to defend the hell out of the 2nd Amendment, which is the only one that really matters anyway.

Oh and fighting off any attempt to bring back the 1965 Voting Rights Act. am I right in thinking this was the first election since it was repealed?

Only white male land owners should be able to vote, as the founders intended.

yeah, we are just super, super smart

This. All I have are stars.

Yeah, we missed a golden opportunity of having a liaison between the 1% that can spew progressive platitudes in between money shovelings.

I'll be at the bar...

Prepare yourself for a wave of refugees.

too late

^

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

It's the DNC way.

This isn't like Dukakis. Hillary won every debate. Trump had the most unsavory scandal of living memory. We are through the rabbit hole, folks.

You're on the wrong side of the rabbit hole, John. I dunno who "won" the debates (does it even matter?), but I can tell you that Hillary's been nothing but game-ending scandal after game-ending scandal, and the only reason she made it as far as she did was because the big moneyed interests behind the mainstream media threw out any semblance of objectivity and integrity in order to propagandize on her behalf. Trump's "scandal" was pretty tame so far as political scandals go, and if multiple such scandals couldn't tank Bill, they sure as hell weren't going to tank Donald.

Thanks, Wikileaks! :)

Hillary won every debate if you follow news sources that supported Hillary.

Trump won every debate if you follow news sources that supported Trump.


Neither candidate said anything of substance in any of them.






Incidentally, my "no political talk" pledge ran out on election day.

Another good point, OZ. Although IIRC, Trump partisans generally conceded that he lost the first, won the second, and either won or tied the third.

Not that it mattered, because as you point out, nothing of substance was said. (which is par for course; we've fallen a long way since Lincoln v Douglas)

LOL

I think Pence will be running the country, much like Cheney did, with a rubber stamp process from Trump.

Unless they use the next two years to significantly erode more voting rights and spin the shit out of the clear incompetence of Trump, you guys might get a chance to effectively censure him via a changeover in the House and Senate in two years. Barring that? It'll be four years before you get a third shot to stop him.

You think Trump will just let Pence run the country for four years without ever trying to take the wheel?

It's like everybody forgot when Trump said that's exactly what he wants. The Republicans finally somehow figured out an insane way to get a nutjob fundamentalist (Pence) elected.

You know, you guys still have time to reject Babylon and come join me in my anarcho-libertarian utopia. We need neither Gods nor Kings!

"Is there any possible scenario where this isn't a political disaster for the republicans?"

Well, they kind of won, and big time. That's not what I call "political disaster".

"John Holmes Motherfucker
Is there any possible scenario where this isn't a political disaster for the republicans?"


The scenario where they control congress and the white house and pretty soon they''ll have the supreme court too?

I forget who it was a few months back who said that the DNC always looks the other way at voter suppression when it favors them (as it did in the primaries, although Sanders would have lost regardless, the point is that it was completely ignored because it favored the right in both parties, and their candidate of choice was on the right of the party) but never seems to connect the dots when it bites them in the elections (2000, this year, probably 2004) although again I suspect Trump would have had a good shot regardless.


But yeah, as I've been saying since last year, anyone who's spent more than half an hour skimming 4chan in their life and doesn't think Trump has a real shot at winning is in some kind of deep denial.

Not fiving for Trump, mind. I just didn't thing we should shoot the messenger here. No reason to give a bad rating to the messenger.

"you..you were just kidding about that arrest her stuff, right Donny?..right?"

Also. THE ROLLBACK OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT WAS A SIGNIFICANT FUCKING FACTOR AS WELL AS RESTRICTIVE VOTER ID LAWS.

Arthur, as a fellow Southern Democrat and gale-force wind-intraurinator, I cannot but echo your findings.

The more popular candidate that got less primary votes?

1. Misogyny, motherfuckers.

Not so much in the election itself, but for twenty years + of cumulative hate for a woman of ambition. Everything she says or does has stuck to her forever, including things she never said or did.

This was the most qualified presidential candidate of my lifetime, running against the least qualified presidential candidate of my lifetime. It's going to be remembered as a disgrace forever.

2. "He's not a politician"

Yeah, politics is rotten, but politicians are the most transparent and accountable part of the system. Go after the lobbyists. Go after the money. Go after the lying cable networks. But the politicians are the most obvious target because theyre the most transparent and accountable part of the system. Politicians need to be politicians. It's a skill set. At the level of the presidency, replacing professional politicians with amateur politicians. is like replacing professional surgeons with amateur surgeons. Like I always say, politics is what we have instead of dictators. I may have to stop saying that.

3. Trolling.

>>Waugh
>>trump scares everybody i hate so much i wish i could vote for him more than twice

This.

There was a lot of this, voting for the biggest fuck you so you can gloat, and rub it in the nose of the people you hate. against the people you hate. Frankly, it was on both sides.

Everybody who got on the internet and called your fellow citizen a moron contributed to this outcome. And that includes myself.

Even if they are morons.

you're welcome. eat shit, idiot

Well all be eating shit. And yes, thank you for that.

Things that didn't help:

-The Bernie base doing it's best to do just as good a job as Republicans at painting Hillary as a CROOK who should be JAILED! She's going to start WWIII over Syria (unlike a Republican presidency which has a track record of not starting wars)! And like, globalization corporate shill, man. Even after the nomination they kept pushing this.

-People underestimating how shitty 48-52% of the people in this country are. The viability of Trump was dismissed at every single turn. How many "He doesn't have a chance, he doesn't even want to be President! It's all just a big play for SECRET MEDIA EMPIRE!" statements were thrown around?


Things that will happen:

-It's going to be an even bigger disaster than GWB. The Republicans now have ALL THREE branches of federal government with an even more unqualified and dangerously unstable president. Say goodbye to your new healthcare at the very least. Countless rollbacks of rights and endless damaging legislation that would take over 10 years of smart voting to undo. Unfortunately, this country isn't capable of more than 8, with 2-4 being the current average.

-Further schism preventing any meaningful progressive push back. Calls that this election shows Democrats weren't populist/angry/radical/demagogic enough.

-Things not getting any better as old white people die off. Trump got more of the Latino vote than Romney.

John - "I blame misogyny!" says the man who would never vote for Palin, Bachmann, or Shoe0nhead in a thousand years.

Also, Trump takes considerably less money from lobbyists and has FAR fewer connections to the Deep State than Hillary. Ms Clinton (RIP), as well as her husband, spent the last four decades as acting town bicycle for whatever unaccountable interests you care to mention by name. The majority of voters realized this, and had both the moral and intellectual fortitude to follow things through to their logical conclusion.

Saying that politicians are accountable is not enough. Politicians need to ACTUALLY BE accountable. If, for example, they are corrupt and criminal, they need to be in prison, not in office. If they are warmongers and proven liars, they need to be disgraced and run out of town. And when they fall, they should take the special interests down with them, too (Wall Street, mainstream media, the CIA, lookin' at you guys).

Come on, John. You know this is true, and while YOU might not be in a spot yet where you yourself can see reality objectively, reconciling the contradictions between your own deeply-held principles with the a priori conclusions you had already reached, enough people got sick of the bullshit that justice has been done anyways. Don't worry. The grief will pass. You'll come around.

"Undermining the more popular candidate in your own party MIGHT have consequences like this."

And yet Sanders lost the primary, by every standard. Popular vote? Lost. Regular delegates? Lost. Superdelegates? Lost. Number of states? Lost.

Sanders was not the more popular candidate. And no way in hell was he in a position to beat Trump.

Mr Bort, the people who voted for Hillary over Mr Sanders were, by and large, intransigent partisan Democrats. They were often the kind of people who do not like thinking for themselves, and they would vote for anyone, regardless, just so long as that candidate had the right team affiliation.

Sanders supporters cared about issues, not about parties, and they were not about to vote for Hillary if Hillary stood against the vision they wanted to see pursued. Hillary supporters, by contrast, were under no such burden from their conscience; if Bernie was the Democratic nominee, then Hillary's faithful would have voted for him just the same. Therefore, I think it is *perfectly reasonable* to speculate that Bernie would have fared far better in the general election than Hillary did! In other words, you don't play to the voters you've already got, you play to the voters you need to win.

Trump, like Bernie, was a motivator. Trump, like Bernie, stood for issues that working-class voters actually cared about. Hillary, true to her nature, gambled on the backing of the power elite, and it turns out that strategy doesn't work nearly as well as it used to.

"A vote for Hillary is a vote for Trump".

Hate to say I told ya so, but I told ya so.

Yeah I'm not playing with you EH.

That's OK, Mr Bort, you don't have to. I've made my case and, as usual, it's such an unbelievably strong one that you wouldn't be able to counter it anyway.

Just remember that, as an voluntaryist and anarcho-libertarian, you are on my side again. I've got your back, and I'm glad you're here! :)

"Sanders was not the more popular candidate. And no way in hell was he in a position to beat Trump."

Actually, the polls suggested that Bernie had a significant advantage over Trump compared to Clinton. The numbers suggest that he was, in fact, in a position to beat Trump.

It looks like the Democrats made the wrong choice, but I don't think there was any way to know that back when they made their decision. A lot of Democrats agreed with Bort's anti-Sanders arguments, and I have to admit: I find many of Bort's arguments persuasive. They're solid arguments, and (for the most part) very reasonable. The fact that they don't fully persuade me is neither here nor there.

We can all agree that The Young Turks did their part to facilitate this, right? And they still have no idea that they're literally the progressive Fox News.

"Nominal
Things that didn't help:

-The Bernie base doing it's best to do just as good a job as Republicans at painting Hillary as a CROOK who should be JAILED! She's going to start WWIII over Syria (unlike a Republican presidency which has a track record of not starting wars)! And like, globalization corporate shill, man. Even after the nomination they kept pushing this."


To be fair the people pushing this stuff the hardest in the general election tended to be the same people who ragequit supporting Bernie after he endorsed Clinton because strategy is not a thing and "HE BETRAYED US MAAAAN."

Pretty sure the actual Bernie base mostly held their noses and voted for Clinton in the general, although if she'd actually tried to reach out to his independent base instead of having her surrogates call them misogynists and children and belittle them at every opportunity while courting the moderate Republicans who mostly held their noses and voted on party lines because THAT IS WHAT PARTISANS DO, she would have probably won.

I love how Sanders has become the new Trotsky bogeyman of The Party. Fuckers were, and still are cursing his name long after his relevance vanished.

It didn't matter if he was utterly full of shit, or didn't have any real platform to stand on. The Republican victory proved how fucking little any of that actually matters. This race was won on rhetoric, like every other. Sanders and Trump both spoke to the sentiments of people increasingly frustrated with the status quo, and Hillary was never able to shake that "corrupt establishment" perception.

And yeah, that was entirely on her to recover, in the same way Obama managed to downplay the "terrorist" Bill Ayers connections, the "inexperienced" and "Chicago politics" accusations, and that classic Rev. Wright soundbite, to say nothing of his second campaign.

Same thing happened with Nader in 2000 except that time around there was actually some real legitimacy to the argument, and yet the argument was slightly less vitriolic.

Sanest, how do stars work?

If I worked at it, I'm not sure I could find a stupider 1-star than this.

I'm sorry, I meant the "Greatest" generation, not the Boomer generation.

Of course, the Boomers have their share of blame in this, too.

Hey, don't blame Boomer. He's a good doggie!

Let's be real here, if a generation is to blame it's Gen X.

This is the fault of Millennials, they were too busy taking selfies and twerking to stop Trump.

Do you really think Bernie wouldn't have been taken apart once the Republican dirty tricks machine took notice of him? Please tell me what you think would have been his best shot at beating them: the fact that he's Jewish, the fact that he's an atheist, the fact that he's a socialist, or the fact that his proposals would have required massive tax increases.

Hillary lost because a lot of people liked what Trump had to offer: racism, misogyny, nativism, and xenophobia distilled to about 180 proof. While I don't have the numbers yet, I haven't seen any indications that this was a low turnout election, in fact quite the opposite. The sad truth is, people voted FOR Trump.

You have your blinders on. Hillary lost because she is extremely unpopular, untrustworthy, and ran a campaign that could not have been more tone-deaf or out of touch with reality.

Do you want to know how you can tell that you're full of shit? Clinton lost parts of Michigan and Pennsylvania THAT OBAMA WON BY DOUBLE FUCKING DIGITS. This election was about people voting for the change that we thought we were gonna get eight years ago, whether you can accept that or not. This was done by people that previously voted FOR Obama.

What this tells us is that this has nothing to do with racism or misogyny or whatever weakass cop-outs we are going to hear in the next few days.

SHIT IS FUCKED UP. Many people (yes poor and working class white people) did not recover from the recession. In fact there has been no recovery outside the 1% really and that has been locked out of Democratic Party rhetoric lest we offend the bankers that fund our shit, broken political party.

People that had a good paying stable job ten years ago work at fucking Wendy's now and YOUR candidate was telling them "Isn't everything great? We're gonna continue this epic winning streak if you vote for this person that you hate and distrust!". And unsurprisingly this didn't work.

Bernie would have humiliated Trump. ANYONE OTHER THAN CLINTON WOULD HAVE. But instead the Democratic establishment, backed by safe, middle class, insulated primary voters, decided to use this opportunity to fucking cash-in and align with fucking neocon warmongers, and align with the entire banking industry THAT FUCKED US ALL JUST EIGHT YEARS AGO and tell the workers that we have to suck it up and accept "borderless free trade" etc. etc. etc. or else we are racist, misogynist, and we want gays to die or w/e. AND YOU ALL WERE SMUG AND CONDESCENDING AS FUCK ABOUT IT THE ENTIRE TIME.


Well, fuck you. You did this. Play chicken with the working class again, I fucking dare you.

And again, do you think the Republicans couldn't have taken Bernie apart, easily?

You know what the difference between 2012 and 2016 is? It's Romney vs. Trump: a wishy-washy Etch-a-Sketch vs. the walking embodiment of everything that the Teabaggers have been winning elections on.

So did you even vote, Crackersmack? For Hillary, I mean.

No, the Republicans wouldn't have been able to do shit to Bernie because Bernie was starting from the position of being very much liked and trusted by the people that were eventually going to have to turn out to vote for him, unlike Clinton. It would have been a steep uphill battle for the Repubs to dent Bernie's armor, while Clinton's was full of holes before she even started.

Bernie doesn't have skeletons in his closet, while Clinton's closet is a fucking plague pit. Bernie went up against an all-star team of a campaign with unlimited resources during the primary and they couldn't find shit on him. If the Clinton camp had any good oppo we would have found it in the Podesta emails.

And like I said before; ANYONE that wasn't named Hillary Clinton would have won this. It didn't have to be Bernie. Warren would have McGovern'ed Trump. Fucking O'Malley would have won handily.

Also let me take this opportunity to say FUCK the loyalty oath demands. You people don't get to do that anymore. You made Trump the fucking POTUS with your insufferable, extreme hubris. It doesn't matter who I voted for.

Here's a scandal to hang around Bernie's neck: Burlington College and Jane's little grift that ended up bankrupting the place. You think that wouldn't have been hung on Bernie? Of course it would have.

And if Bernie was so popular, why did he fucking lose?

Bernie didn't lose. Hillary did.

"Also let me take this opportunity to say FUCK the loyalty oath demands. You people don't get to do that anymore. You made Trump the fucking POTUS with your insufferable, extreme hubris. It doesn't matter who I voted for."

So, you either voted for Trump or did not cast a meaningful vote to stop him. You had a hand in Trump's victory. Be proud, since you can't manage to be ashamed.

Voting means compliance. Voting means consent. No matter whom you vote for, by the act of voting, you signal your deference to state authority, and have both a hand in Trump's victory, and an ethical culpability towards whatever evil policies the system will soon enact.

Hilary primary voters and Sanders primary voters who couldn't decouple support from strategy in the general election both deserve plenty of blame in this.

Unfortunately it's easier to blame each other than to admit your own failings and work toward mutual goals, which is why the GOP is going to hold the senate in 2018 (the house is lost because of the 2011 redistricting; I doubt there will be even the possibility of the GOP losing the house for another 20 years at least, probably a lot longer, now that they've secured the supreme court. 2020/2021 redistricting is going to make everything a lot worse, too.


I guess it was a good ride while it lasted, as long as you were a landowning white male.

>>Bernie would have humiliated Trump. ANYONE OTHER THAN CLINTON WOULD HAVE. But instead the Democratic establishment, backed by safe, middle class, insulated primary voters, decided to use this opportunity to fucking cash-in and align with fucking neocon warmongers, and align with the entire banking industry THAT FUCKED US ALL JUST EIGHT YEARS AGO and tell the workers that we have to suck it up and accept "borderless free trade" etc. etc. etc.

DING DING DING

Exit polls show that Trump cleaned up with voters above $50,000, and Hillary cleaned up with voters under. You know who wouldn't have been receptive to Sanders' message of wealth redistribution? The people who voted for Trump.

"Bort


And if Bernie was so popular, why did he fucking lose?"

Because he started his campaign at least a year too late as a protest and had no expectation of winning the nomination.

Even breaking 2 or 3 percent in the primaries would have been a miracle for him under normal circumstances. The fact that he did so well is a testament to just how unpopular Clinton was.

Which is not to say that he was the perfect candidate or would have been some kind of perfect president who rode in on a white stallion and fixed everything, but he was the best candidate the left has had in my lifetime.

And now you see why that's important.

Damn straight! Keep in mind a couple of extra reasons to turn that frown upside down:

-the first lady is totally hot. So is the first daughter. Hominahomina. But hands off boys that ones for daddy

-SNL (its a comedy sketch show on tv) will continue to have great content and employ alec baldwin

-america is going to be great again like before just like the hat said

As I've said before, I'm a big fan of Ivanka. And kinda' hoping SNL will get shut down, thanks to all the media regulations which The Powers That Be have been building towards, and which will now benefit the pro-Trump crowd, to the detriment of everyone on the neoliberal establishment side. (the age-old problem with trusting the Guns of the State - the more power you give the state in order to fight your enemies, the more power your enemies will have once they wrest the state from you)

Agreed. I just thought of another reason. I think Mexico has to build us a walgreens now or something

Also now we probably won't regime-change Syria. And we can start over again on healthcare reform, and do it right this time. And maybe Jill Stein's lawsuit will end up revealing the super pac donors of both parties. Obama's drone program will probably be dismantled in the next few months.

There is a thick silver lining to this cloud.

There is a deep layer of horseshit to your optimism.

The TPP is one of the few things I expect Trump's position will 'evolve' on, so don't get too excited.

>>> now we probably won't regime-change Syria. And we can start over again on healthcare reform, and do it right this time. And maybe Jill Stein's lawsuit will end up revealing the super pac donors of both parties. Obama's drone program will probably be dismantled in the next few months.

He has no track record, he's promised to magically balance the budget through massive tax cuts. and he has a habit of denying what he said the day before. So all this is entirely possible. Other possibilities include forced labor camps for the mentally ill, or maybe every American gets a free cotton candy machine.

>> he has a habit of denying what he said the day before

Trump has a Public position and a Private position. What's wrong with that, John?

Oh, I read your bullshit above. You're an imbecile. We already know Trump voters are older, whiter, slightly more male, less educated but NOT lower income. 55% of under 30s voted Clinton against 37% for Trump. 58% of whites for Trump, 74% of non-whites for Clinton (88% of blacks, 65% of Latinos and Asians for Clinton). Under $50K annual income: 52% of Clinton voters, 41% of Trump's. 64% of Trump voters see immigration as the major issue facing the country, and 57% terrorism. Only 42% of Trump voters see the economy as the most important issue (52% of Clinton voters). College education is not so stark a division, with 52% of Clinton voters and 43% of Trump's having a college degree. Fuck your 'working class' bullshit. http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls

Didn't we just learn an important lesson about polls less than 12 hours ago?

Ain't it funny how Trump support tracks exclusively with being white, no matter the age or gender. The logical conclusion: this election was about class.

^

Poorwill, how many elections can the Democrats win when they get only 52% of people with incomes under $50k?
This was the working class stuffing your fucking TPP (and whatever other trade nightmare Clinton would have proposed) straight up your neolib ass.

Bort, make sure to ignore how Clinton lost areas that Obama won by double digit percentages. Yeah it's about race and NOT about asking people to vote in favor off offshoring their own jobs to make the Lena Dunham class happy, while you're being smug as fuck about it.

Also the primary was bullshit and that was never going to be addressed. How's the strategy of that DWS hire looking now to the Clinton campaign? Was keeping Brazile on top of the DNC a great idea in hindsight?

The election is always about class.

Racism is about class.

Race IS a class.

Drop the "a" there. Race is class.

fuck you, moron

Yes, race is class. So is economic status but we weren't allowed to have that discussion in this contest without being called racist. Now at least we know without a doubt that poor whites WILL vote for a black guy offering change but they WILL NOT vote for the physical embodiment of the establishment. Armed with this knowledge we can build a party that will do very well.

If Hillary doesn't want to suck Bill's cock, why should she have to suck Putin's?

I know I've said this before, but the most bizarre part about that whole Cold War 2.0 mess was how contradictory everything was. First the Hillary mouthpieces were saying "Trump's a madman! He will get the nuclear codes, and start a nuclear war with Russia!" And then the conspiracy became "Trump's a Russian agent! Rally behind Hillary, she'll get our nukes ready to fight Russia!" Oftentimes, these two narratives would run concurrently, without any of Hillary's doomed faithful seeming to notice the contradiction.

Madness. Sheer madness.

Granted, it's still Trump's game to lose. Or rather, Obama's game to lose, since the handover isn't for a little while still. We're not out of the woods yet, and if Obama has taught us anything, it's that

(a) Obama isn't above bombing the shit out of people on the flimsiest of pretexts, and
(b) Trump may be the Hope and Change candidate, but if a candidate runs on Hope and Change, he's a liar.

If the security industrial complex REALLY wants Cold War 2.0, they will get Cold War 2.0. When Hayden, Bush Sr, and the entire CFR are threatening you, you better play along or else you'll get Dulles'd.

"Putin says Russia ready to fully restore ties with U.S." http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-russia-putin-idUSR4N1D 800D?c? EvilHomer, you are a useless shit-eating animal.

I don't follow, Mr Will. Your link does not reconcile the two contradictory halves of the Hillaryites' anti-Trump conspiracy theory, AND it shows that Trump's election is already defusing World War 3. That's a good thing. A GREAT thing, in fact!

If nothing else, "staving off nuclear war" (for another few weeks, at least) is cause enough to celebrate Trump's victory tonight.

"if a candidate runs on Hope and Change, he's a liar."


This right here is why I voted for Clinton in '08, and against Clinton in the primaries this year.

Clinton lost the '08 primaries for the same reason she lost this general: her oratory game is weak, and her opponent could get crowds eating out of his hand. The only difference this time was having a massive head start in the primaries.

Really? Explain.

Give me some examples of where Donald Trump has changed his mind, I'll give you some examples of where Hillary has changed her mind, and then you can tell me the difference between the two, the factor which excuses the one and condemns the other.

I do, however, love the implication here that FLAT-OUT LYING TO THE PUBLIC is a "coherent" and "consistent" thing to do.

I think you're just pretending not to understand this, Homer.

Politicians aren't supposed to follow their own opinions and preferences exclusively. They represent us. Their public positions are supposed to be based on a combination of what their conscience dictates, what the public wants, the compromises that must be made, and where the public is willing to be lead. This is how politics work, it's the basis of our society, but it's become expedient to pretend there's a more honest way to lead, and those pretenders are always the liars and dividers. These are your tea parties and your cable news networks.

Look what it did to the republicans. Look what it's doing to us. Or maybe I'm wrong? We're about to find out, together.

>>Give me some examples of where Donald Trump has changed his mind, I'll give you some examples of where Hillary has changed her mind, and then you can tell me the difference between the two, the factor which excuses the one and condemns the other.

Evil Homer is back with another Evil Homework assignment.

Also, I didn't say that Trump "changed his mind." I said that he says things, and then denies having said them. It's the most childish form of lying, and he does it A LOT!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/06/17 -things-donald-trump-said-and-then-denied-saying/