Idk man, there's lots of different kinds of jazz, you don't think Glenn Miller was cumming? He was, he was cumming buckets.

Also this is hilarious and I'd like to see Fagen fight Fred.

I think it says something that all the "good jazz" examples used is never stuff more recent than 1955. Did Marty inspire Coltrane to ruin jazz when he popped out of that DeLorean?

The Big Gundown is sick. I could probably come up with something more recent if I listened to any new music at all.

Bitches Brew came out in 1970.

Space is the Place was 1973.

Lots of amazing Jazz has come out in the last 5 years.

It's not my fault you can't google what's out there.

It's not my job to educate you!!!!!!!!

It isn't. You don't want to be educated. You already made up your mind and you're not going to budge.

HOW DARE YOU!!!!

*holds up Bitches Brew of example of NOT indulgent meandering Jazz*


Patrice O'Neil had a good bit on how you can tell something sucks based on how defensive people get when you say it sucks. Soccer and baseball fans will go into screeds on how it's a national cultural touchtone and you can't appreciate the true subtly that goes into 3 hour long games of keep away, or the 5 minutes between pitches. Football fans will just shrug their shoulders "whatever".

Jazz is the Infinite Jest of music.

no no you misunderstood.

I made a Jazz noise here.

Most people who love Jazz (myself) when I hear of someone who doesn't understand it or doesn't appreciate it just move on from discussing music with you.

Jazz is hard to understand. It takes a lot of effort on your part to understand it. It takes a long time to fully appreciate it.

It's all well and good if you don't want to take the time or effort on your part to learn it, just as I don't feel like spending 10 years becoming a master wood worker or plumber.

But don't act like it's something anyone can do, or something anyone can master in a short amount of time.

Only a handful of the finest classically trained musicians in the world transfer to jazz because it's that much more challenging. Many classically trained musicians - who have studied for decades in some the highest institutions and who play for some of the hardest orchestras in the world to get into, aren't able to elevate their playing to the level of jazz.

As far as the pro baseball and pro soccer thing - I don't like either. However it does take a ridiculous amount of hard work and talent to get into the major leagues.

It reminds me of that whole thing where a news reporter found people who tweeted that they could kick a field goal better than some of the pros, and they got them to try to kick an actual field goal, and they failed miserably.

You don't have to love it.
You don't even have to like it.

You also don't have to enjoy fine art or realize the effort or amount of work it took to create a Vermeer.

Just don't pretend like it's simple, or easy, or that just because you don't understand it it must therefore be stupid.

You have no idea how it goes.

It's not a 'main vocal'. It's the tune. It's not always sung. Improvisations aren't always solo. Sometimes they are two people playing off of each other. Or three. Or four.

Jazz improvisation is very hard and I bet real money you aren't able to do it.

I attempted to get started into jazz and you know what the first year consisted of? Memorization of every scale major in minor and at every mode. Memorization of every triad at every note in every scale, apreggiated, including 7ths and 9ths. Learning how to pick out a tune by listening to it only once and playing it back. Learning how to pick out a tune by listening to it only once and immediately being able to transpose it to any key - major or minor.

Baroque improvisation was also incredibly difficult and as Couperin said "you have to play what is in the music but not what's on the page". Jazz improvisation came from a lot of what was done in the Baroque.

You've also never been to jazz concerts back to back with the same person. I have have seen quite a few with some of the greats - and each improvisation WAS DIFFERENT.

Sometimes the musicians didn't know beforehand who was going to get the solos and who wasn't. Sometimes the musicians didn't know what the lead was even going to play. You get a set list most of the time, and most of the time you have to know ALL of the standards by memory. You watch the lead for when you need to know when to end it.

You ever see them with actual music in front of them? It's rare but look closely. It's usually just the tune and a set number of chords and the general structure.

You have to CAREFULLY listen to everyone and what everyone is playing. The best jazz musicians I've heard were able to immediately play back what someone else played and to play along with it. Sometimes it even went back and forth every bar or every two beats.

You're basically the equivalent of a flat earther. "I don't know how jazz works or how it's done so therefore it's a lie."

You want something else that'll blow your mind. Sometimes Jazz musicians will harmonize off each other.

But only one person in the history of composition was ever to take a theme by hearing it only once, sitting down, and in less than a minute come up with a four part fugue based on that melody.

Bach.

Bach even did a 6 part ricercar while traveling home in his carriage.

Bach has inspired nearly every one of the great musicians in the last 300 years. You can tell when Mozart discovered Bach. When Mahler did. When Mendelssohn did. Bill Evans. Nina Simone. They were all inspired by Bach.

Jazz itself was inspired in part by the Baroque and Bach.

Anyway you didn't ask for a music education lesson, but you deserved one.

You're welcome.

I’m not going to read his crap

be a turd then

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