Speaking of which remember the 90s Secret Squirrel revival?
I remember once on Thanksgiving, my sister and her now ex-husband (I think) got into an argument over who had the mole for the sidekick

Penfold is a hamster.

Oh come of it, it looks fine, great even. You can't make something today and somehow avoid using a modern production pipeline. Sure some of the "visual grammar" will employ current idioms (wiggly arms, rainbows coming out of an orifice or two, chip tunes, deliberately "bad" photo/toon composites etc.)...it's a great era for cartoons though.

I'll bet the people behind this are terribly sincere and have every intent of honoring the work they stand on the best they can.

Morocco Mole was my favorite character from the entire Danger/Squirrel subgenre, and is in fact the only reason to watch either show.

Gmol is right, this looks fine and I have high hopes for it! Of course, I never much cared about the original Danger Mouse, being that Morocoo Mole wasn't in it, so my tolerance level for childhood-ruining might be set higher than most.

The animation would be OK (it's not like the original was some kind of masterpiece of animation, they didn't even bother to animate mouths a lot of the time) if the writing was there.

I don't feel inclined to find out on strength of this trailer.

But yeah, it could be a lot worse.

But it could also be a lot better, and the first step would be to stop cannibalizing the past, it's gotten worse than the 80s were.

The Secret Squirrel revival worked because nobody was doing revivals, or at least they weren't on the scale that they are now (hey guys they're also reviving Ducktales which looks to incorporate a bunch of Gravity Falls-type humor) so SS was pretty funny and a little self-aware and ironic before irony entered our childhood minds (I believe it was before Animaniacs)..

I can't really formulate an opinion because I didn't really catch it when I was a kid, and besides the other video that was posted here my childhood memories are a mash-up of Danger Mouse (haha get it, because Danger Mouse did a mash-up of the Beatles and Jay-Z), Mighty Mouse AND Secret Squirrel, like the childhood memory of a melted bowl of Neapolitan ice cream, but hey! Teen Titans Go works just fine, as does MLP FiM, and I'd rather have this than the either/or of Hannah Barbara revivals, which is either attempt to reboot it in a serious REAL Adventures of Johnny Quest kind of way or just say "fuck it" and let people mess with their intellectual property a-la SpaceGhost, Brak, Birdman and Sealab which are clearly aimed at adults.

And the voice acting looks solid too, with Stephen Fry and John Oliver and many others. So I dunno, if I was a kid or a fan of the show as a kid, I'd probably check it out, either with childlike optimism or the adultlike cynicism I feel for my personal favorite, Ducktales, but instead I'll just write some stuff.

(PS: in the beginning of this clip, when the yellow letters are scrolling away from the screen, that's in reference to something, right?)

You know, until just now it never even occurred to me that the Secret Squirrel revival was "a revival". Apparently Secret Squirrel: TOS had human characters instead of being all-anthro?


IZ - yes, I believe the scrolling yellow letters are a reference to the famous science-fiction film series, Star Wars.

Of course it was crap and cheaply animated, its Sailor Moon.

Watch it with your slanderous mislabelings, Cena Troll; Sailor Moon is an excellent TV show. Sailor Moon keeps the world Straight.

Sailor Moon failed Christine. She became a lesbian.

Oh, give me a break. The Poster got burned up in a fire; the *lack* of Sailor Moon, that's what caused Christine to turn into a lesbian!

You're just jealous because there's no Coastie Moon.

He was becoming a tom girl before the fire. Thought you're kinda right, he didn't declare himself a lesbian until sometime after it.

Yeah Dark Night of the Soul is one of my favorite supergroup albums, even though it makes me think of Sparklehorse.. :(

Dangerdoom is really good, too.

That's pretty much true for all cartoons. I don't want to say there aren't good old cartoons, but for the most part they're surpassed by the cartoons of today. Back then they just weren't taken seriously as a medium.

The Duck Tales reboot has a lot to live up to. Duck Tales was amazing.

>> Back then they just weren't taken seriously as a medium.

Not in America, no. In Japan, cartoons were, and continue to be, an artform, as evidenced by Sailor Moon.

The only recent cartoon reboot I cared about was Inspector Gadget, and sadly it sort of blows ass (not only did they keep Inspector Gadget in the show, but they tried to shoehorn in an awkward love interest for Penny). Ducktales was a good show, but there wasn't a whole lot there you can fuck up, so I'm sure this alleged Ducktales reboot of yours will be fine.

Disney treated animation as an artform, and Japanese cartoons took their inspiration from Disney. And in the Duck Tales era, Disney was still the only company really taking animation seriously. Their other cartoons from that era were also ridiculously well-animated, even their third-rate garbage shows like Tale Spin.

Of all the current amazingly great cartoons, only two of them really stand out to me for their animation quality - Steven Universe and Gravity Falls. One of which is Disney. (And it's probably no coincidence that they're also both traditionally hand-animated.)

Japanese animation had always mostly been cheap and crappy, i.e. Sailor Moon.

Steven Broniverse sports some of the ugliest art design since Family Guy, but at least they have the good sense to shamelessly rip off quality anime shows, like Sailor Moon and Revolutionary Girl Utena. The show is mostly terrible and the writing is lame, but to their credit, they steal from the best.

With the exception of MLP and Bob's Burgers, American animation is stuck in a morass consisting of Seth McFarlane on the one hand, and hipsters on the other. Face it, Cena: unless some American company can buy up the rights to Macross or Ranma 1/2, then Duck Tales, Danger Mouse, and Scooby-Doo are the last real hope for Western animation.

I know you're kidding about Steven Universe. The art design is awesome. All the characters have eye catching and creative designs. Especially Garnet. They don't "rip off" those animes, they derive inspiration from them. I've never seen those show's so I'm not even sure where they pop up in SU.
I guess you're right about hipsters though. Rebecca Sugar does look like one, but hipsters are often very creative people.

The characters look like Rebecca Sugar handed pastels to a room full of six year-olds, asked them to draw some new Homestuck OCs, and then stole the worst looking ones in the bunch.

Here is a list of shit they stole from anime:

http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/References_in_Steven_Uni verse

It includes material plagiarized from Gunbusters, Gurren Lagann, Sailor Moon, Tiger Mask, DBZ, Eva, and entire fight sequences ripped shot-by-shot from RG Utena (starring the Utena rip-off character, Pearl, no less). There's more stolen anime material in here than there was in Sonichu!

Watch: next season (assuming the show gets another season), Rebecca Sugar will introduce the Brand New Original Character, Darkbind RebSu, a sword-fighting tomgirl from the land of Rule-SU.

I have a good word for it. Basically, Rebecca Sugar took all this awesome anime, and she Oprah-cized it, for the States.

Have you even given the show a proper chance yet? Its not theft. Its merely little Easter eggs for anime nerds to notice. I even got this reference and it was funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFIzpaurSGM
You need to stop picking on aspects of the show that are parodic in nature.

I've given it a proper chance. I've watched the best parts already, because I've seen the anime shows SU stole from.

The only original idea SU injected into its mishmash of plagiarisms and slanderous copying, was that the protagonist should be a lesbian tomgirl. Of course, Steven RoseSu is clearly just Alex Kidd with a Buddha Belly, but I will still give them credit for including an emasculated, Spike-the-Dragon type character, when the Japanese shows they stole from all had really badass protagonists (such as Noriko Takaya, Sailor Moon, and Kamina, the hyper-badass older brother of Simonla Rosechu). It was a s̲t̲u̲p̲i̲d̲ idea, but it was an original one, so credit for that.

Wait, who's the Spike the dragon type? You talking about Pearl?

I'm talking about Steven, the emasculated boytoy owned by a pack of alpha girls. Pearl is the blatant Utena ripoff.

Steven isn't owned by the Crystal Gems. He owns them. The CG were all loyal to his mother/himself Rose Quartz. As he becomes more experienced they take him more seriously and are less prone to questioning his actions. Its called character development. You would't get that since you watch anime, but its when a character develops and changes over time. Steven Started out as just a goofy kid, but he's becoming so much more.
You sound just like I did years ago when I refused to give MLP a chance. Now look at you. You're avoiding and dismissing the world's greatest cartoon behind a pack of slanderous lies and excuses.
What do you think the others are a rip off of? Garnet, Amnyfest, Peridot, and Lapis are all original characters.

Also calling Pearl an Utena rip off is quite a stretch. I don't know much about Utena, but I believe they just modeled some of Pearl's fight scenes after ones from the anime. Not stealing the whole character.

Look at this Cena. Compare the awesome art style of Utena, against the lazy minimalism of Pearl Utenachu.

http://tinyurl.com/UtenaIsBadass
http://tinyurl.com/PearlIsNot

Compare the distinctly non-badass Steven the Dragon, with a true badass, Kamina.

http://tinyurl.com/LaaaaAAame
http://tinyurl.com/Totally-Badass


You see what I mean? Admit it, Cena, Rebecca Sugar wishes she was anime, because anime is awesome.

Also this:

http://tinyurl.com/Steven-And-Spike

>> As he becomes more experienced they take him more seriously and are less prone to questioning his actions. Its called character development. You would't get that since you watch anime, but its when a character develops and changes over time. Steven Started out as just a goofy kid, but he's becoming so much more.


So he's Simon from Gurren Lagan. Big deal. Coming-of-age character arcs are easy to write, and anime shows have already explored coming-of-age stories to their fullest.

These similarities are all based on huge generalizations. Steven Universe has a coming of age story, but that doesn't make it a rip off of Gurren Lagan. Its a big general theme.
Also you should at least like Amneyfest. Christine's amneyfest ring is the true source of her power.

Which one is Amnyfest? She is the one who looks to be copied straight off of Ursula from The Little Mermaid, right? She's short, fat, and slovenly, just like Oolong from Dragon Ball; why would I like that. Oolong/Amnyfest doesn't sound like something I would like.

Honestly, so far you've given me tomgirl Simon, flatly-drawn Utena, and Ursulaoolong; all anime ripoffs, all stuff I've seen before. Which character is most like Sailor Moon? Which character is most like Rainbow Dash? Perhaps I will like her, if there is such a one, a heroine who can meet my challenge.

You're only going by comparisons in appearance. I can't believe you compared Amnyfest to a pig. She's powerful and beautiful. You don't realize how deep Steven and the Crystal Gems are. Ugh, you haven't covered Garnet, Lapis Lazuli, Jasper, or Peridot yet, not to mention all of the fusions.

I'll bet you think Garnet is a rip off of Afro Samurai.

Garnet IS a ripoff of Afro Samurai, you are correct. And "fusions" are a DBZ thing. That whole concept is stolen straight from DBZ; Rebecca Sugar is too lazy to even change the name!

Garnet is a fusion, a dumb knockoff of Gogeta and a sad attempt to cash in on the lesbian fad. Sorry, SU, but MLP already beat you there with Scootaloo and Flutterdash! Lapis Lazuli I had to look up; she's dumb, and she looks just like Pearl, so apparently when Sugar runs out of ideas, she starts copying off herself. Jasper is obviously Beefcake the Mighty, and Peridot is a Megaman character. I could tell that right off the bat, even before I learned she had Megaman's limb-and-blaster powers!

I would say Jasper might be the least egregiously stupid character, since she at least has the good sense to steal from Beefcake (her helmet), DBZ's Raditz (her hair), and Sonic the Hedgehog (her Sonic Spindash attack), but honestly the show is unimaginative and Rebecca Sugar should probably be taken to copyright court for stealing from anime. Just think of all the poor anime artists whose families will starve because Rebecca Sugar stole their intellectual property! :(

It seems like anime artists love Rebecca Sugar. She even has a cameo in Little Witch Academia 2. Lapis doesn't look anything like Pearl. You only said that because they both have short hair. Anyways she's awesome and has probably the most tragic back story in the show.

It's the same exact character model, they just tweaked the costume and changed the colors a bit. And she's got a "tragic past", huh? PAGING DR. LIEFELD. Dr. Liefeld, some anime ripoff is stealing a cliche from you.

I'll bet you five bucks that her "tragic past" is also shrouded in mystery.

OH WHAT A SURPRISE.

http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Lapis_Lazuli#Gem

I feel like Rich Evans, that time he beat Pokemon by mashing "A". Oh, and that whole gem warrior plot the Wiki mentions a paragraph later? That's Vegeta and Nappa, a famous story arc from DBZ- only SU sounds like a wimpy show, because Lapis' advice to the heroes is to puss out, rather than train hard and fight to win, which is what Goku and his friends did.


Imagine Vince McMahon telling John Cena not to fight Brock Lesnar, because Brock Lesnar has been training for years in the MMA, and is now far more advanced than he was before. Any wrestling match with him would result in great devastation, so gosh John Cena, you should just not fight Brock! Roll over and fucking die, John Cena, because I'm Lapis McMahon, and I'm a big dumb quitter!

Lapis isn't a warrior, or maybe she was before she was imprisoned, we can't say yet. You need to make up your mind, first you mock SU for "ripping things off", and now you mock Lapis Lazuli for not being like DBZ characters or wrestlers.

That's different. That's a matter of core values. Copying character design and backstory and even the name/look of someone's special moves, that's not cool! But being a sympathetic character who possesses positive traits, that's important.

Consider John Cena again. John Cena is cut from the same kind of stuff as Hulk Hogan; they are both brave, dedicated, kid-friendly champions, the defining superstars of their respective eras. But at the same time, you can't mistake John Cena for Hulk Hogan. John Cena is his own man; no one else has his look, no one else does the whole rapper-Marine thing, and no one else can nail an FU quite like he can. Cena's got the *heart* we all know and respect - the heart of a winner, the heart of a champion - but he has his own original way of expressing himself, of communicating that warrior spirit to his audience.

Now imagine what it would be like if John Cena changed his style in order to rip off Hogan. Instead of wearing jean shorts, he'd wear tight yellow trunks and grow a gay biker 'stache. Instead of doing the FU and Five Knuckle Shuffle, he'd use the Leg Drop and Body Slam. Instead of being a rapper, he'd fuck his own daughter. You see where I'm going with this, right? You see how there's a difference between superstars who both have strong hearts and a warrior spirit, to just making a cheap, lazy ripoff.

Oh, and another thing - Lapis, Amnyfest, Pearl, all the characters in SU sound like they're named after gems. That is a naming convention stolen directly from Sailor Moon; specifically, the Dark Kingdom villains from the early seasons of the show.

Rebecca Sugar really is just a high-functioning ChrisChan, isn't she?

Despite the difference in core values Lapis is still a sympathetic character with positive traits. Even in wrestling there's been stories where people have told other wrestlers not to go through with a match. Quite notably HHH trying to keep HBK from his retirement match against the Undertaker.
They aren't named after gems, they ARE gems. Their bodies are mere projections, their actual bodies are the gemstones themselves, and if their gem is cracked or broken it could mean injury or death.
Anywho I've caused you to spoil too much of this show through this conversation. You need to just get watching it. You'll thank me later.

>> They aren't named after gems, they ARE gems. Their bodies are mere projections, their actual bodies are the gemstones themselves, and if their gem is cracked or broken it could mean injury or death.


Well, THAT'S stolen from Dungeons & Dragons. The characters in Steven Universe are obviously Liches and/or suffering from the effects of the 8th level Wizard spell, Trap the Soul.

Triple H was trolling HBK. It's *never* a good idea to fight the Deadman of course - if anyone is going to put you six feet under, it's The Taker - but HBK is one of the few wrestlers who can enter the ring with the Lord of Darkness and come back breathing. He made the right choice in accepting the Phenom's challenge.

HBK lost, of course, but he went out like a true Hall of Famer, and for his bravery in the face of certain doom, Odin will surely keep a place for him in Wrestler's Valhalla.

Also, don't forget, *Count Graduon* is a gemstone who projects a physical body, and Christine invented Graduon years before Rebecca Sugar came up with her dumb show. Now, I'm not saying Rebecca Sugar stole her living gemstone idea from Sonichu - it could be that both RebSu and ChrisChan stole their ideas independently, from the same anime source - but it is certainly an intriguing possibility.

Lesbian "fad?"

Yes, fad. Having a lesbian character is this current generation's equivalent of having "that one kid in a wheelchair". When MLP included them, lesbian characters could still be seen as subversive and cutting edge; Rebecca Sugar showed up to the party about three years too late, and at this point it's just a tired cliche.

I imagine she fancies herself to be crafting the next Xena, but in truth, RebSu is just another mook scribbling out Very Special Episodes for Saturday Morning cartoons.

Still, I will grant Cena this much: RebSu has very good taste in anime. She steals from the best, and would probably be fun to hang out with/ work for; the nerd equivalent of "the one Republican candidate you'd like to have a beer with". Perhaps I will give the show one last shot, if only because Japan doesn't seem to be working on reboots for DBZ or Gunbusters, and Sugarchu with it's plagiarisms might be the closest we'll see for awhile.

Tell you what; I will watch some more crappy episodes of Sugarchu, if you will watch some of the awesome anime shows which Sugarchu stole everything from.