Was that a quote from him? Because that's pretty unhinged to include a bunch of non bad things in a list of bad things. What's a climate crazy, anyhow?

Maybe we should be more mad at the Democratic party establishment for railroading through pathetic candidates that support stuff that harms the people they claim to represent than the base for not being enthusiastic about voting for them.

If you have a coach that keeps losing; change the coach. Don't get mad at the fans for not cheering hard enough.

Jesus Christ, ashtar, it's a guy who had a job in the office of the president from two administrations ago. He's a bigot, and he's probably drunk. There-'s a limit to the kind of sweeping circular historical narrative you can milk this for.

Fart, indeed.

Nominal brought it up, I was just responding.

But, no, I will not be voting for anyone who voted to fund genocide. That seems like kind of a bare minimum kind of thing.

If you actually think Trump is the better of two shit options, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. He's made it totally clear that he wants to turn this place into a fascist hellhole.

His first business in office is not for the country, it's to expunge his record and then go after his enemies. Then he'll go full deportation mode.

You have to be actually stupid to think Trump is even moderately interested in anything other than himself.

what's funny is that we all lived through four years of Trump already with the Chicken Littles telling us the entire time that the sky was gonna fall, that he was installed by Putin, that he was a new Hitler, some terrible unique threat, etc etc etc

and as it turned out he was maybe slightly better than the average Republican would have been, and at least was kinda amusing.

You’re wrong, fuck off with that trumper shit

Hey look, Crackersmack is actually stupid.

>>>what's funny is that we all lived through four years of Trump already with the Chicken Littles telling us the entire time that the sky was gonna fall, that he was installed by Putin, that he was a new Hitler, some terrible unique threat, etc etc

You fucking idiot, That's all true, except that the sky didn't fall. For fuck's sake, do you really not see that we're still living through Trump?

He commands the Republican party, even after a humiliating defeat and significant evidence of crimes. He's been publicly disgraced, and now he wants to turn the world upside down to undo that disgrace, because of astonishing narcissism, and because the only think he cares about is his crazy idea He's using social media and his adoring cult to incite violent threats against his enemies, and making speeches where he refers to liberals as vermin who must be rooted out. When the GOP tried to nominate a speaker of the house that hadn't promoted his outrageous lie of a stolen election, Trump scuttled his nomination with a single tweet. Within his cult he's more,powerful than ever before, more divorced from reality, and the fact the he's been mortally wounded by multiple felony indictments only makes him more dangerous.

Nominal was anticipating your diatribe, ashtar. We all knew what was coming, you're as predictable as gravity.

like "someone should probably cut his meat for him" stupid

Bush was way worse

Bush was way worst, 100%. Killing 1/2 million Iraqi children is just the tip that that pile. Daddy was also a monster.

At this point I feel Trump > Biden, the overt/covert crime/bribery Biden runs is mind blowing. Being Anti-war and activly fighting human trafficking is worth a lot in my books, he can grab her by the pussy in exchange for that.

Having Bobby Kennedy win and shatter the CIA would be great.

Good luck America, we all need it.

Also, I had no idea Nominal was so into MAGA.

Like, jesus christ, listen to yourselves. "Our guy will do genocide and crimes against humanity but the other guy will do slightly more genocide and crimes against humanity"

Voting for the "lesser evil" for 30-40 years is how we got Trump. Continuing the same thing that got us to where we are (with largely the same old fucks who have been consistently losing and running things into the ground) will not fix things.

I think y'all are way too liberal with your definition of "genocide". I don't want to defend the Iraq war, but I it really defending it to say it wasn't genocide? It was a callous, cruel, delusional, vainglorious fuckup. It was a dishonorable murderous catastrophe. Fact: things can be very very bad without being genocide.

One good thing about Trump, he's not going to start a war, because that would require reading a lot of memos, and sitting through a lot of meetings, but he seeks to remake the American presidency into an instrument of vengeance, and if some future leader decides to commit genocide for real, a second Trump Trump will make it easier for him.

Trump is willing to destroy America, by which I mean The Constitution, for his own personal vindication. There's a story about him.asking if he could be added to Mount Rushmore.

Maybe Destroying America will be good for the world, but I am simply unable to take the long view. Maybe it's out of prejudice, or self-interest, but I'm against destroying America.

Yeah man, this is WAY better than Trump. I'd rather have thesevracist
bigots with the D's next to their names than the other racist bigots with the Rs.

"Trump is willing to destroy America, by which I mean The Constitution"

what does this even mean? what is there to destroy? I think whatever existed here before that might have been worth preserving went away sometime in the early 80s, and the rest was killed by NAFTA.

there's nothing to preserve here, no real rights, absolutely dogshit quality of life. no social mobility. no vehicle that we can use to improve anything either; they are all captured by wealthy malefactors so completely that we can't even get them to pretend to have our best interests in mind. nothing to rally around. protests are either brutally repressed by cops or captured and turned into the pussy hat thing.

we should be TRYING to end this shit. it literally could not get worse than this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv3NYybt7Y

The constitution is specifically designed to protect the interests of the elite planter/merchant class that wrote it. The shittiness of the constitution and the Word of God status so many people accord it is a big part of why life is so shitty in America.

Well, shit, ashtar, I stand corrected! When you throw around fancy legal jargon like "the shittiness of the constitution ", I'm clearly out of my depth. Surely Donald Trump, the people's champion, will put forward the interests of the common people, and end the domination of wealthy oligarchs, and special interests!

I am a man of the people, and I speak the common tongue.

i'm guessing cs glossed over the fact trump botched the covid handling and got a bare minimum of a million americans killed, and that's ignoring everyone else who flew and infected people in other countries.

Antisemitism exists, and so does islamophobia. If you don't want antisemitism to be used to suppress criticism of israel, I think you should refrain from trivializing it at every opportunity.

I’m pretty sure that claiming antisemitism to suppress criticism of Israel is what’s trivializing it

Well, not this time, Solly. You're the only one who brought up antisemitism.


All you have to do is not be silenced. It's debatable whether our little circle jerk has any influence over events, but you're just giving them ammunition. If you see someone complaining about black people "playing the race card" is that someone whose opinion you are predisposed to respect?

Black people don’t have giant politically connected organizations (ADL, among others) falsely accusing people of racism to protect a genocidal enthnostate.

The Zionist organizations do get people silenced. They dox students for attending Palestine protests.

The reason antisemitism is trivialized is because a bunch of Zionists run around screeching it at anyone so much as looks funny in the general direction of Israel.

And then they do shit like the subject here because they’ve been the massive racists all along.

Fucked up the reply button again.

So we can’t call out how evil Zionism is because some retards blame Jews for their life failures?

I would say that if you don't like being identified as antisemitic, there's a right way to do that, and maybe you should take a moment to figure it out. Or maybe you don't care. If that's the case, fine, knock yourself out.

In the words of John Lennon, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow.

As an American Goyisher, I have no opinion on "Zionism", whatever that is, other than to automatically distrust anyone who claims to be against it, or who claims to be for it.

If someone said they just support the creation of a state for aryans would you also be untrusting of anyone who is against that?

If this were 1945, and Israel didn't exist yet, this might be a compelling analogy.

Fundamentally I think you don’t really give a shit about what the Zionists are doing to Palestinians, much like casualcollapse

You’re more worried about someone thinking you’re antisemitic or hurting a “moderate” Zionists feelings than 5,000 dead brown children.

Just more useless bothsiderism

Actually, I'm worried about people thinking YOU'RE antisemitic, and how that doesn't help the palestinians. And I think you care a little too much about being right.

I think that I can care about the Palestinians, and the policy of the Right Wing Israeli, government. and not so much about Zionism. Maybe you could educate me about Zionism, and then, all you'd have to do is have this same discussion about 100 million more times while israel keeps building settlements.

I don't really understand Zionism, and the problem is that when you tell me what it means, I can't take that on face value because you just told me that it's evil. No one ever explains this shit without trying to tell you who is evil, therefore, no one is trustworthy. It's confusing, and Israel exploits that confusion.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you're trying to convince me of something, you really need to get out of your own way.

This is all moving the goalposts anyway. I called you out for dismissing the idea of antisemitism, when no one was being antisemitic, or accusing anyone of being antisemitic, or talking about zionism. You brought it up just to dismiss it.

You shouldn't do that. It's just bad form. I'm not talking about your beliefs or intentions. I'm talking about the words you use, and what the words mean.