"We are slaves, deprived of every right, exposed to every insult, condemned to certain death, but we still possess one power, and we must defend it with all our strength for it is the last — the power to refuse our consent. So we must certainly wash our faces without soap in dirty water and dry ourselves on our jackets… We must walk erect, without dragging our feet, not in homage to Prussian discipline but to remain alive, not to begin to die."

I've been re-reading Primo Levi. He's relevant to current events.

Like most Americans, my vote is effectively irrelevant to deciding the outcome of most elections, and especially the presidential election. But I'm not going to in any form endorse someone who is currently starving children to death.

If Biden loses, it's his fault, and it's the party leadership's fault. Don't blame the voters.

Gmork is voting for Biden because he thinks that forcing Palestine to starve means that there is more food for him.

I can't believe the most idiotic talking point is being regurgitated by you, but I guess I'm not surprised. Trump is far more on board with everything Bibi wants, plus he'll push every bit of project 2025 to its maximum possible conclusion.

Your logic sucks.

If you fundamentally think the Palestinians would have fared better if this happened under trump, you should be ashamed of your own stupidity. Framing this as "supporting a child starver" doesn't change if you abstain or vote for trump.

The options are: genocide and no project 2025

or

Genocide and project 2025.

Those are your options, dipshits.

"bro just one more vote bro, this time it's really the most important election ever bro I swear, please bro just vote for the ancient brain dead guy that doesn't know where he is so that the Democratic Party leadership can continue to enable the worst crime against humanity in any of our lifetimes"

"bro your choices are genocide with a tear in our eye or genocide plus Mega Murder Xtreme Kill Plan 5000... bro please just save Our Precious Democracy by voting for the party of 90 year old landlords"

My vote will not influence the election.

I live in a +20 blue state (I used to live in a +20 red state), and even if I didn't, the chance of the outcome coming down to a single vote is very remote.

Appeals to the consequences of an action fail when there are no consequences to an action.

Since my vote is effectively a symbolic action, I'm going to use it accordingly.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-fi nish-problem-rcna141905

somehow i doubt he's gonna be all kumbaya and handjobs guys

but when he's deporting immigrants who protested this
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-pledges-expel-immigrant s-who-support-hamas-ban-muslims-us-2023-10-16/
i bet those getting to type up those posts rubbing it in the lib'ruls faces and that feeling of smug superiority are gonna be totally worth it

"bro this time Trump will be super extra mean to immigrants, I swear I'm telling the truth bro, I know that Biden just continued all of Trump's immigration policy but that was different bro, he was forced to by Manchin and The Parliamentarian bro, this time there really will be a difference bro, Trump will be soo bad bro"

Elections are determined not by individuals, but by large demographic blocs. Large demographic blocs do not have agency in the way that individuals do. Trying to extort or shame "young people" or "black people" or "american muslims" into behaving the way you think they ought to is stupid and pointless.

It's like getting angry at consumers for the failure of New Coke.

Biden is a bad candidate. He's unpopular generally and he's very unpopular with segments of his base that he needs to turn out. They had several years to find anyone else; he didn't want to and the party didn't make him.

If Biden loses to Trump, don't blame the voters. Blame Biden, and blame the party leadership. These are, not coincidentally, exactly the same people who got Trump elected in 2016.

Maybe the dems should stop doing genocide and run someone under 70 years old.

Yeah, considering Biden expelled / deported more migrants in his first year than Trump did in four?

And he waived dozens of federal laws in order to continue building the Trump-Biden border wall?

I can't tell if these blue MAGA ghouls are misinformed or just cultists.

And funny, my ballot will have more than just the genociders on it.

Lol cracker sending 2 back to back trigger posts that I can't see

Looks like team "finish the job" trump has plenty of support from the usual suspects.

"Actual fascism with a side of even worse genocide than under Biden" is the popular choice for your average libertarian dipshit so sayeth the comments above.

"maybe the Dems should stop doing genocide" says the person functionally advocating for someone who likes genocide even more to win, plus maybe bring a little of that genocide home

Solid points, guys.

"bro you have to vote for the good genocide because if you don't then the bad genocide is gonna happen bro and it's gonna be sooooo bad, not like this genocide we have right now bro please just vote for Biden bro he's working day and night to stop the genocide bro, didn't you see Biden airdrop 8 brown bagged lunches into the ocean off Gaza bro? you really gonna let Trump win bro? trump wouldn't even throw one sandwich into the ocean bro"

'"maybe the Dems should stop doing genocide" says the person functionally advocating for someone who likes genocide even more to win, plus maybe bring a little of that genocide home'

lol ok jan, sure. I am doing no such thing. Fuck both of your genocidal geriatric oligarchs.

Also "vOtE bLuE tO sToP fAcSiSm" rings pretty fucking hollow when your guy is doing genocide and running concentration camps on the border. Genocide Joe literally called migrants "illegals," and his "bipartisan border deal" is a fascist's wet dream (according to Dem staffers it was basically written by Republicans too).

1% less fascist than Trump is still fascist.

But I know you don't care. Your guy is magically better than the other guy because he's your guy. The blood on his hands is meaningless to you.

Gmork: I am sympathetic to the lesser evil argument. I don't think people are wrong or dumb for thinking that Biden is a little better than Trump. If it were my decision and those were the only options, I'd go with Biden.

However, two things:

It's not up to me. My vote doesn't actually count because of how voting works in America. So, since pragmatic and tactical concerns are meaningless, I'm not going to symbolically endorse someone directly responsible for 30,000+ preventable deaths.

And, I am sick to death of the centre-right shitheads who have taken control of the Democratic Party run a campaign 100% the way they want, lose, blame the party base, and then claim that they're the only ones who know how to win elections. It's like a drunk person condescendingly lecturing you on driving.

I don't know, man. I don't have a solution. All I know is what we have been doing since like 1980 has been a disaster, and maybe we should not keep doing the same thing over and over.

Hey look random asshole hand waving pretty 2025 and spreading defeatism.

Anybody rolling over for project 2025 is a dumb piece of shit.

Project even

If you want to defeat project 2025 perhaps you should run a candidate that more people can get behind.

This isn't hard. Biden is extremely unpopular. Running him again is a very stupid plan.